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Subject: Re: from the moderators...

Author: Ernst A. Heinz

Date: 05:14:52 01/18/99

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On January 18, 1999 at 00:32:38, Will Singleton wrote:
>
>Statement from the Moderators

Dear moderators,

>Recently a number of messages discussing moderation issues were deleted
>by the CCC moderators.  We have now revised our policy and will not
>delete further messages discussing moderation issues unless they otherwise
>violate the terms of the Charter.

In contrast to other CCC members who thanked you for the policy change, I do
not think that it deserves any particular praise. IMO, the announced policy
change is not an achievement but simply a reinstatement of basic conduct.

>Note that this prohibits objecting to removal of messages, but does not
>prohibit discussing moderation issues in a general way.

This additional condition reverses your above "revised policy" back again
to your previous style. Apply this condition and no CCC member is allowed
within CCC itself to openly protest the removal of a post discussing general
moderation issues. In this respect, your wording actually changes nothing in
principle as long as you insist on the additional condition.

>3)  Quoting of email, without the sender's consent, is prohibited.

This adds to my previous concern that nothing has actually changed with respect
to your future handling of public discussions about moderational issues. Such
discussions may center around moderational behaviour and *anonymously* quoted
emails of moderators detailing their style in question (such as the outrageous
one that I received) are vital pieces of evidence in these cases.

As you said, you are keenly aware of your responsibilities. Hence, I do not
understand why it should be forbidden to *anonymously* quote your responsibly
formulated messages if they serve to demonstrate the point of the discussion.

I totally agree with you, however, that named quoting and quoting of
non-moderational email messages should require the consent of the sender.

Best wishes,

=Ernst=

P.S.
I am well aware that my above stated opinions are surely biased by the
events which lead to the current moderational discussion. Nonetheless,
I hope to have been able to still conduct a somehow objective analysis
of the moderators' statements. If the majority of CCC members think that
I did not succeed in doing so, please frankly tell me to shut up.



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