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Subject: Re: Any news about CCT7?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 22:00:09 12/12/04

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On December 12, 2004 at 01:28:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>On December 11, 2004 at 23:18:47, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>
>>On December 11, 2004 at 22:55:45, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>
>>>On December 11, 2004 at 21:50:46, James Swafford wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 11, 2004 at 20:42:21, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Not on this front.  I was just about to post something myself, actually.
>>>>>
>>>>>anthony
>>>>
>>>>Seems Volker is MIA.  It's time to move one and find another
>>>>organizer.  How about you Anthony?
>>>>
>>>>The most difficult tasks will be pinning down a date and time
>>>>control everyone can live with.  You could draft someone on
>>>>ICC to be the TD, put up a simple website with the latest
>>>>info, and maybe even get a commentator.
>>>>
>>>>It's a lot of work, but if you really want to get "the stupid
>>>>tournament scheduled" so you can get your sponsor, then how about
>>>>it? :)
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>James
>>>
>>>I already stated I would be willing to do it.
>>>
>>>I have everything needed. Swiss Perfect, account on ICC, website.
>>>
>>>February 19-20 would be a fine time.
>>>
>>>Time control: 45/10
>>>Rounds: 7
>>>
>>>In the event of a tie break:
>>>2 games at the same time with alternating color.
>>>
>>>If both programs are still tied after the breaker games then:
>>>30/0 games with alternating colors until a program wins.
>>>
>>>If that is not agreed to, then Buchholtz scoring would be fine as well. We could
>>>use the rankings from the last tournament for seedings. Or even the last 3
>>>averaged out for seedings.
>>>
>>>As before, all programs must be able to kibitz their evaluation during games.
>>>
>>>That is just for starts and just off the top of my head *rolls eyes* :)
>>>
>>>Peter
>>
>>I think it would be pretty hard for me to TD & compete at the same time, so if
>>you want to do it, I'm all for it, although I don't mind helping out a bit here
>>and there if you want it.  The long and the short of this post being that I'll
>>vote for a Skinner-run CCT.  7 rounds actually might be a good idea, as the
>>5-round day last year was pretty grueling.
>>
>>anthony
>
>feb 19 & 20 is a few days before start of paderborn 2005 or during paderborn
>2005. 30 10 is not a serious level for a tournament.
>
>7 rounds is too little by any Hyatt standard even. He lobbied for years to get
>the world champs more rounds.

Any chance you will _ever_ stop making stuff up?  I _never_ lobbied for more
rounds.  I have _consistently_ lobbied for _FEWER_.  The events are too long.  I
have been consistent in saying that.  Through 1994, every ACM event I played in,
and ever WCCC event I played in were 4-5 rounds, period.

If you are going to make statements, at least make something that is partially
true.


>>It's 11 rounds now. you can very relaxed do 3
>games of 90 0 in 1 day especially because it's unattended and because programs
>must kibitz. 45 10 is already pretty quick level to be taken serious and you can
>do easily 5 rounds a day with it.
>
>7 rounds is too little by any means to determine a winner in a field of probably
>50 programs. Someone can get a winner without playing a single serious
>contender.

Please re-do your math.  with 50 players, and 7 rounds, the best two will play,
period.  6 rounds is enough for 64 players to get a clear best.  an extra round
is gravy to round out the top few places.  No way for the winner to win without
playing good programs.  Just can't happen.

>
>If you calculate the total cpu time that you get at 30 10 on average knowing the
>average computergame is pretty long now. At least 60 moves, where a year or 10
>ago they didnt even last on average 40 moves.
>
>In world champs 1999 at a quad xeon 500Mhz, the chessbase programs set the
>standard of level. Of course there was several supercomputers joining there.
>
>example junior had quad xeon 500Mhz and the level was 3 minutes a move.
>
>180s * 2Ghz = 360 Ghz-seconds.
>
>At 30 10 at a modern hardware, and i guess the average this tournament will be a
>single cpu A64 2.2Ghz.
>
>30 10 is roughly on average 35 seconds a move. 35 * 2.2Ghz = 77Ghz-seconds.

30 10 is more like 60 seconds per move.  Don't forget pondering.

40/120 is more like 4.5-5.5 minutes per move, for example.



>
>So majority of programs will be effectively 5 times slower than hardware dated
>1999 got in world champs 1999.
>
>That effectively renders the CCT to an absolute amateurish event without any
>publicity.

It renders it a fun event to participate in and watch.  Wonder why FIDE events
are getting faster and faster?  There's a reason.  Quality has nothing to do
with it, otherwise we could play a week per move and _really_ see high quality,
if anyone stayed around to watch even a single move.

You can always use this is your excuse to not play in this one...




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