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Subject: Re: icc games analysis

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 14:18:01 01/22/99

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On January 22, 1999 at 16:48:57, Dan Kiski wrote:

>On January 22, 1999 at 16:13:14, KarinsDad wrote:
>
>>One thing I am unclear on.
>>
>>Was the fictionally named BillClinton playing against computers in some of these
>>games. For example:
>>
>>Hossa in games 2, 6, 7 and 8
>>GODMODE in games 9 and 10
>>TayxBot in games 19 and 20
>>
>>These opponents took 0 seconds per move for many moves, so they appeared to be
>>computers. Is there a lag problem which would cause a mis-report of 0 seconds? I
>>do not know of one.
>>
>>Amateur in game 3 took 1 second per move for many moves. It appeared to be a
>>computer taking a full second per move, but if so, why did it need to in the
>>opening (unless it had no opening book). A human should have taken at least 2
>>seconds on some of the moves. This was somewhat strange.
>>
>>KarinsDad
>
>I find it totally opposite, whenever I play a 2 or 3 minute game I will make
>opening moves as quick as possible sometimes 8 moves in 0 seconds, so as to save
>time for the middle and endgame. I find much mose suspicious people taking 4 or
>5 seconds on opening moves. Either way either could be a computer one with a
>direct connection the other toggling back and forth.

Yes, both of these possibilities had occurred to me before I made the post, but
I never seem to be able to implement the consecutive 0 seconds mode in practice.
I guess it is easy for those with strong opening knowledge and games for two
such opponents to stay within mainline book for quite some time. I haven't
analyzed these particular games in detail yet to determine whether that is the
case (my openings are fairly bad, so I can never tell just looking at the PGN).

For me, even in openings I know well, if my opponent is taking 3 to 5 seconds
per move in the opening and he has 3 or more good replies to my move, I can
NEVER seem to use up only 0 seconds on fics (on most any move). Maybe it is
different at ICC. This is probably why I loss on time so often at blitz.

Amateur made 24 consecutive moves in game 3 at 1 second per move. That seems
strange. The consecutive number of moves is large and the time is always the
same, but not once 0 or 2.

Hossa made 14 consecutive 0 second moves in game 6.
Hossa made 18 consecutive 0 second moves in game 7.
Hossa made 12 consecutive 0 second moves in game 8.

Again, I guess an IM could do this, but 18 at 0 seems like you would REALLY know
that opening cold and if BillClinton was a human/computer hybrid, he also stayed
within book for that game beyond what is normally in a program's opening book
(again I'll have to analyze the game to form a more complete opinion).

GODMODE seemed more like a fast playing human in game 9 with 4 out of the first
15 moves taking 1 second and the rest taking 0 seconds.

GODMODE seemed more like a computer in game 10 with the first move taking 1
second and the next 17 taking 0 seconds.

From this, I would assume that GODMODE could be an IM level human just playing
as fast as he can.

Still confused :)

KarinsDad



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