Author: KarinsDad
Date: 14:18:01 01/22/99
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On January 22, 1999 at 16:48:57, Dan Kiski wrote: >On January 22, 1999 at 16:13:14, KarinsDad wrote: > >>One thing I am unclear on. >> >>Was the fictionally named BillClinton playing against computers in some of these >>games. For example: >> >>Hossa in games 2, 6, 7 and 8 >>GODMODE in games 9 and 10 >>TayxBot in games 19 and 20 >> >>These opponents took 0 seconds per move for many moves, so they appeared to be >>computers. Is there a lag problem which would cause a mis-report of 0 seconds? I >>do not know of one. >> >>Amateur in game 3 took 1 second per move for many moves. It appeared to be a >>computer taking a full second per move, but if so, why did it need to in the >>opening (unless it had no opening book). A human should have taken at least 2 >>seconds on some of the moves. This was somewhat strange. >> >>KarinsDad > >I find it totally opposite, whenever I play a 2 or 3 minute game I will make >opening moves as quick as possible sometimes 8 moves in 0 seconds, so as to save >time for the middle and endgame. I find much mose suspicious people taking 4 or >5 seconds on opening moves. Either way either could be a computer one with a >direct connection the other toggling back and forth. Yes, both of these possibilities had occurred to me before I made the post, but I never seem to be able to implement the consecutive 0 seconds mode in practice. I guess it is easy for those with strong opening knowledge and games for two such opponents to stay within mainline book for quite some time. I haven't analyzed these particular games in detail yet to determine whether that is the case (my openings are fairly bad, so I can never tell just looking at the PGN). For me, even in openings I know well, if my opponent is taking 3 to 5 seconds per move in the opening and he has 3 or more good replies to my move, I can NEVER seem to use up only 0 seconds on fics (on most any move). Maybe it is different at ICC. This is probably why I loss on time so often at blitz. Amateur made 24 consecutive moves in game 3 at 1 second per move. That seems strange. The consecutive number of moves is large and the time is always the same, but not once 0 or 2. Hossa made 14 consecutive 0 second moves in game 6. Hossa made 18 consecutive 0 second moves in game 7. Hossa made 12 consecutive 0 second moves in game 8. Again, I guess an IM could do this, but 18 at 0 seems like you would REALLY know that opening cold and if BillClinton was a human/computer hybrid, he also stayed within book for that game beyond what is normally in a program's opening book (again I'll have to analyze the game to form a more complete opinion). GODMODE seemed more like a fast playing human in game 9 with 4 out of the first 15 moves taking 1 second and the rest taking 0 seconds. GODMODE seemed more like a computer in game 10 with the first move taking 1 second and the next 17 taking 0 seconds. From this, I would assume that GODMODE could be an IM level human just playing as fast as he can. Still confused :) KarinsDad
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