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Subject: Re: How are dual cores going to affect chess?

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 14:47:31 01/29/05

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On January 29, 2005 at 17:27:31, Eugene Nalimov wrote:

You're actually cheaply profitting from that the 1.6Ghz version is there now.

I'm always ending up at $50k as a minimum to start with for quad itanium 1.6Ghz.
Of course you get the top processor if you pay so much anyway.

Additional this is such incompatible hardware you must buy linux for it too.
That costs $1299.

You want to put inside more harddisks and i bet it doesn't have much RAID
possibilities to put RAID cards inside.

Then you need a good compiler for it as GCC is too dead slow at it.

Intel c++, lemme see for ia64 at least $399.

Actually intel warns you to put a shitload of RAM inside the quad server itanium
based products. How nice of them.

You're not even nearly done yet.

It doesn't have a mouse, nothing yet. Just a 39GB harddisk.

If you just use this to run your own software you need another year of tuning
and testing before you know that a specific compiler version under options X
will work correct.

The total price will be in the hundreds of thousands by means of man and machine
cost.

And after that all, it will perform like a quad opteron 1.6Ghz.

How nice from intel.

DELL isn't the problem let me assure you that. Dell is great.

Vincent

>On January 29, 2005 at 17:21:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On January 29, 2005 at 17:16:55, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>
>>First click below that : "quad processor"
>>
>>instead of buying a dual.
>>
>>then hit UPDATE.
>
>Ok, once again:
>
>Go to
>
>http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en&oc=PE7250PAD&s=biz
>
>It will show price $17,767.
>
>Click "Quad IntelĀ® ItaniumĀ® 2 Processor, 1.5GHz, 4MB Cache [add $6,000]".
>Click "Update Price".
>
>Cost will become $23,767.
>
>Now click "Continue".
>
>In "Hardware Support Services" choose "3Yr BRONZE Support, Next Business Day
>Onsite [subtract $4,999]".
>
>Click "Update Price".
>
>Cost will become $18,768.

>Click "Continue".
>
>Don't choose any options. Just click "Add To Cart".
>Thanks,
>Eugene



>>
>>>On January 29, 2005 at 17:12:15, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 29, 2005 at 16:52:16, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Yes i know certain people like you like to run a quad with just 1 processor
>>>>inside.
>>>>
>>>>I like to have 4.
>>>>
>>>>I clicked quad itanium2 1.6ghz and was directly at $50k when i hit update.
>>>>
>>>>That's with just a 36GB harddisk by the way.
>>>
>>>Once again: *quad* 1.5GHz -- with all four CPUs, not with one -- costs less than
>>>$19k.
>>>
>>>Your original post was about 1.5GHz Itanium2, not high-end ones. There are much
>>>more expensive gigher end ones, I have quad 1.7GHz/9Mb system in my office.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Eugene
>>>
>>>>$50k is not bad for a system which is equally fast to a quad opteron 1.6Ghz for
>>>>Diep. That said, it's a lot faster for diep than most other software.
>>>>
>>>>Actually a quad opteron 2.2Ghz fully configured at ebay is < $10k.
>>>>
>>>>Vincent
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On January 29, 2005 at 15:45:25, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>...
>>>>>>We're talking practical about $70000 for a quad itanium2 at 1.5Ghz.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can buy quad Itanium2/1.5GHz/4Mb with 2Gb of RAM and fast SCSI hard drive
>>>>>for less than $19,000.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/pedge_7250?c=us&cs=555&l=en&s=biz
>>>>>
>>>>>(Start with default configuration, replace default CPU by 1.5GHz/4Mb, say that
>>>>>you want 4 of them, and replace 4 hours on-site support with next next business
>>>>>day one).
>>>>>
>>>>>So you are off by 3.7x (70,000/19,000).
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Eugene



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