Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 12:34:21 01/31/05
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On January 31, 2005 at 14:25:52, Vladyslav Kosulin wrote: Hi, >Sandro, >Both Chessbase and your announcements raise serious doubts on where we're headed >to. >In ideal world we'd have a list of GUI choices (ChessBase, ChessAssistant, >ChessPartner, Chess Academy, Chess Informant Expert, Arena, Winboard/Xboard, >jose, Shredder Classic, etc), a list of engines (hundreds to mention), a list of >database formats, and a list of interfaces (UCI, winboard, ChessBase). Also in >this world we'd be able to combine the pieces (GUI and engine) as we prefer >using protocols and file formats they support. >Unfortunately, Chessbase is commercially successful in tying GUI and engines: >I can't get Junior working outside the Fritz GUI. I think this is made on purpose...like Microsoft Windows... >Also, even already having Fritz >GUI (like Deep Junior 9), I have to pay full price for another engine like Deep >Shredder 9. I think to be willing to pay for new stronger program is necessary to have them developped even further. It seems to me that the market is today lower than before as several people stop buying new programs feeling the ones they have are good enough. I do not agree on this and I hope we will be able to raise the program strenght another 200 points at least in the next years... >This is Chessbase decision, and I am sure they will become more >flexible if they feel the increased pressure from competitors, and not before. Normally this is what the competition does, but here we are talking about a limited market, so the risk is that if there is no possibility to get any money making stronger programs why shall someone do it? >As a matter of fact, both Shredder implementations (Chessbase and UCI) are >direct competitors, and I believe, you get more money from selling Shredder >with classic GUI than from selling with Chessbase GUI. But because of market >situation there is no doubt, Chessbase version will be more successful, and >one of main reasons is you try to put engine and classic GUI together: I'd >like to use your engine with both Chessbase and ChessAssistant, but there is >no way to buy engine without GUI, which is useless for me, and there is no >way to use your book outside of your GUI, which is (again) useless for me. I think it is important that people can chose which one they prefer. I think it is necessary to limit the book use to avoid people creating a modified book and use it for commercial purposes too...in competition...I could not accept this... >As a result, if I go with Chessbase version, I can't use it with UCI GUI, and >if I buy your UCI version, I can't use your book at all! >This means I lose anyway. Even if I pay $225 to get both Deep versions, I >still get only limited functionality for extra price. And I don't like it. >And this means I am not going to buy it. These are commercial issues...cannot do anything about them...I am sorry. Of course you are free to do whatever you like. Sandro
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