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Subject: Re: Shredder 9 improvements over Shredder 8

Author: Vladyslav Kosulin

Date: 11:25:52 01/31/05

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Sandro,
Both Chessbase and your announcements raise serious doubts on where we're headed
to.
In ideal world we'd have a list of GUI choices (ChessBase, ChessAssistant,
ChessPartner, Chess Academy, Chess Informant Expert, Arena, Winboard/Xboard,
jose, Shredder Classic, etc), a list of engines (hundreds to mention), a list of
database formats, and a list of interfaces (UCI, winboard, ChessBase). Also in
this world we'd be able to combine the pieces (GUI and engine) as we prefer
using protocols and file formats they support.
Unfortunately, Chessbase is commercially successful in tying GUI and engines: I
can't get Junior working outside the Fritz GUI. Also, even already having Fritz
GUI (like Deep Junior 9), I have to pay full price for another engine like Deep
Shredder 9. This is Chessbase decision, and I am sure they will become more
flexible if they feel the increased pressure from competitors, and not before.
As a matter of fact, both Shredder implementations (Chessbase and UCI) are
direct competitors, and I believe, you get more money from selling Shredder with
classic GUI than from selling with Chessbase GUI. But because of market
situation there is no doubt, Chessbase version will be more successful, and one
of main reasons is you try to put engine and classic GUI together: I'd like to
use your engine with both Chessbase and ChessAssistant, but there is no way to
buy engine without GUI, which is useless for me, and there is no way to use your
book outside of your GUI, which is (again) useless for me. As a result, if I go
with Chessbase version, I can't use it with UCI GUI, and if I buy your UCI
version, I can't use your book at all!
This means I lose anyway. Even if I pay $225 to get both Deep versions, I still
get only limited functionality for extra price. And I don't like it. And this
means I am not going to buy it.



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