Author: Uri Blass
Date: 14:30:44 01/31/05
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On January 31, 2005 at 14:25:52, Vladyslav Kosulin wrote: >Sandro, >Both Chessbase and your announcements raise serious doubts on where we're headed >to. >In ideal world we'd have a list of GUI choices (ChessBase, ChessAssistant, >ChessPartner, Chess Academy, Chess Informant Expert, Arena, Winboard/Xboard, >jose, Shredder Classic, etc), a list of engines (hundreds to mention), a list of >database formats, and a list of interfaces (UCI, winboard, ChessBase). Also in >this world we'd be able to combine the pieces (GUI and engine) as we prefer >using protocols and file formats they support. >Unfortunately, Chessbase is commercially successful in tying GUI and engines: I >can't get Junior working outside the Fritz GUI. Also, even already having Fritz >GUI (like Deep Junior 9), I have to pay full price for another engine like Deep >Shredder 9. This is Chessbase decision, and I am sure they will become more >flexible if they feel the increased pressure from competitors, and not before. >As a matter of fact, both Shredder implementations (Chessbase and UCI) are >direct competitors, and I believe, you get more money from selling Shredder with >classic GUI than from selling with Chessbase GUI. But because of market >situation there is no doubt, Chessbase version will be more successful, and one >of main reasons is you try to put engine and classic GUI together: I'd like to >use your engine with both Chessbase and ChessAssistant, but there is no way to >buy engine without GUI, which is useless for me, and there is no way to use your >book outside of your GUI, which is (again) useless for me. As a result, if I go >with Chessbase version, I can't use it with UCI GUI, and if I buy your UCI >version, I can't use your book at all! As long as Shredder win tournaments with an external book I fail to see the importance of the book of sandro for the decision if to buy shredder. Even old Shredder7.04 is able to do it with an external book. see for example http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/ Who is leading? Gandalf6 with it's own book or Shredder7.04 with Leo's book? I will not be surprised if shredder9 with some external book(not of sandro) can beat everything that is not shredder today including Junior9 and Fritz8. Uri
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