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Subject: Re: First Shredder 9 results

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 21:08:56 02/02/05

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On February 02, 2005 at 17:05:30, Ingo Bauer wrote:

>On February 02, 2005 at 16:47:28, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 02, 2005 at 15:25:29, Ingo Bauer wrote:
>>
>>>>>After one day you may have a couple of hundred, maybe thousand games at 3 0 at
>>>>>playchess. Unfortunately this is completly worthless for Shredder! I tried there
>>>>>with two different accounts (both S9). One is playing only games with an hour or
>>>>>longer, the other run 2 nights only 3 to 5 min no increments. Both on the same
>>>>>Hardware. The difference at the end was about 100 points. Of course the long
>>>>>game account is much better!
>>>>>
>>>>>Bye
>>>>>Ingo
>>>>>
>>>>>PS: Both account did not play versus other Shredders!
>>>>
>>>>I do not understand how do you compare between different time controls.
>>>>
>>>>You can say that you cannot learn from blitz about long time control but the
>>>>knowledge if the new version is better at blitz is also an interesting
>>>>information.
>>>
>>>All I wanted to say is
>>>
>>>1. that Shredder needs some time to let the search algorith settle.
>>>2. On playchess the vast majority of games is 3 0 and therefore a bit unlucky
>>>for Shredder to show it's real strength.
>>>
>>>Bye
>>>Ingo
>>
>>If I understand correctly you mean to say that the difference between Shredder9
>>and older version was bigger at longer time control.
>
>Why are you making it so complicated?
>
>All I wanted to say is that expecting a "real" value out of some blitz games at
>playchess within one day is impossible.


I disagree.

We cannot expect real value at long time control based on some blitz games but
we can expect real value at blitz.

 I am sure that most here did understand
>that quite well after my first post. Why you didnt is beyond my imagination.
>
>Sorry for the inconvienience I gave you
>Ingo

I believe that most did not understand you because you did not explain yourself
well.

You said:

"On playchess the vast majority of games is 3 0 and therefore a bit unlucky
for Shredder to show it's real strength."

You did not say

"On playchess the vast majority of games is 3 0 and therefore it does not give a
good estimate for the strength at long time control."



If a program is unlucky because of the time control then it means that it can
perform relatively better at different time control.

If Shredder is unlucky because the games are 3 0 then it means that it can
perform relatively better at long time control and this is the reason that I
understood you in the way that I understood.


I also do not agree with you that the real strength is expressed only by long
time control games.

You may be interested only in long time control but a lot of people are
interested more in blitz and for them long time control are unimportant(for me
both are important).

I think that 3+0 games is part of the picture of the real strength of shredder.

Uri



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