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Subject: Re: Kibitzing on ICC

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 12:43:24 02/10/05

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On February 10, 2005 at 14:30:19, Richard Pijl wrote:

>On February 10, 2005 at 14:16:50, Joshua Haglund wrote:
>
>>On February 10, 2005 at 14:06:28, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>
>>>On February 10, 2005 at 13:40:04, Joshua Haglund wrote:
>>>
>>>>Can anyone tell me if Squash kibitzes too much or too little?
>>>>
>>>>Squash(C) kibitzes: depth: 7  nodes:   1.78m  eval: 0.03  time: 4.49
>>>>Squash(C) kibitzes: move g2g4
>>>>
>>>>follow Squash
>>>>
>>>>Joshua Haglund
>>>>toneewa@yahoo.com
>>>
>>>Most people output what you have, but with the entire PV.  Zappa does score +
>>>nps + depth + PV.  Only the Australian programmers kibitz the entire contents of
>>>the hash table every move.
>>>
>>>anthony
>>
>>Squash(C) kibitzes: depth: 3  nodes:   1.61k  eval: 0.65  time: 0.00
>>Squash(C) kibitzes: depth: 4  nodes:   7.67k  eval: 0.78  time: 0.02
>>Squash(C) kibitzes: depth: 5  nodes:  52.19k  eval: 0.94  time: 0.13
>>Squash(C) kibitzes: depth: 6  nodes: 436.54k  eval: 0.82  time: 1.13
>>Squash(C) kibitzes: move f3e5
>>
>>I actually kibitz anything over 1k nodes, but the pv. Wouldn't humans cheat by
>>using the pv?
>>
>>Joshua Haglund
>>toneewa@yahoo.com
>
>
>Baron doesn't kibitz when playing humans, but whispers. You receive a 'computer'
>command during game start that allows you to make a difference.
>In a few cases I noticed guest accounts following the Baron when playing a
>human. In those cases, when I see it, I disable whispering by doing +alias
>whisper xxx
>But in most cases whispering makes following computer games a lot more
>interesting
>Richard.

I would just add that I find it interesting during computer games to see
multiple kibs per move.  For example, if the score or move changes during
thinking, kib a score and pv reflecting that.  However, people new at this (and
Aussies) have to be careful not to fill the screen with too much info.  One can
start kibbing at ply 7 or 8, then use a timer to limit consecutive kibs to > 10
secs, or if something changes as above.

I used to do that, and might add that code for the weekend.  But again, people
should be careful not to print too much info, as it is not read by anyone, and
it makes it hard to follow the comments of others.

Will




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