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Subject: Re: The importance of opening books -- a simple experiment

Author: Arturo Ochoa

Date: 08:53:16 02/18/05

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On February 18, 2005 at 10:39:24, Uri Blass wrote:

>On February 18, 2005 at 10:02:32, Arturo Ochoa wrote:
>
>>On February 17, 2005 at 17:52:43, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On February 17, 2005 at 17:46:47, Tord Romstad wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 17, 2005 at 16:16:16, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I don't think you are being quite fair to Vincent here.  His actual statement
>>>>>(or at least what I think he intended to say) is that "A good book vs no book is
>>>>>worth 700 elo at the World Championships", and I think that it is not that far
>>>>>off.  If you show up at the World Championships with no book, you have 0% chance
>>>>>to win, regardless of what engine you use.
>>>>
>>>>I am not sure what he intended to say, but he did not mention anything about
>>>>World
>>>>Championships (at least not in the initial post, I haven't bothered to read the
>>>>whole
>>>>thread).  Basically he just said "book=700 Elo" without any qualifications at
>>>>all.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps it was just intended as a joke, as has been suggested in the current
>>>>thread.
>>>>
>>>>>Anyway, if you don't feel the need to work on the book, don't.
>>>>
>>>>Of course I am not going to do much (if any) work on the book.  From my point of
>>>>view, there is no point.  I cannot see how I can learn anything useful from it.
>>>>
>>>>>Arturo and I will enjoy getting good positions and easy points :)
>>>>
>>>>As you know, I usually don't participate in tournaments.  And if I ever do, my
>>>>purpose
>>>>is to meet the other participants, and not to try to win.  The competitive
>>>>aspect of
>>>>computer chess has very little interest to me.  My focus is not on defeating
>>>>other
>>>>chess engines, but on contributing to the continued improvement of chess playing
>>>>algorithms.  I want to see the general level of amateur computer chess engines
>>>>continue to rise, and to feel that I have at least a tiny part of the honor for
>>>>this.
>>>>From this perspective, working on the book would be a complete waste of time.
>>>>
>>>>I concede that a good book is definitely an important factor in tournament play,
>>>>but it will be really hard to convince me that it is worth anywhere near 700
>>>>points.
>>>>I leave the discussion of precisely how much can be gained by a good book to
>>>>those who are more interested in tournaments.
>>>>
>>>>And by the way, trust me:  Zappa really wouldn't need any special book
>>>>preparation
>>>>to get good positions and easy points against Glaurung.  :-)
>>>>
>>>>Tord
>>>
>>>Same for movei
>>>
>>>For some reason Artuto does not understand that opponents get easy points
>>>against movei simply because movei is an extremely weak engine.
>>>
>>
>>My name is Arturo and not Artuto. Learn to spell my name, please.
>
>sorry but in this case it was a typing error and not spelling error.
>t and r are neighbours in the screen.
>
>I decided not to respond about more things that you say in this post.
>It does not mean that I agree with them
>
>Uri

Of course, we know why  you did not asnwered: because we know that you cannot
prove anything.

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