Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 17:41:52 01/28/99
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On January 28, 1999 at 09:13:00, Howard Exner wrote: >On January 28, 1999 at 07:37:31, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On January 27, 1999 at 08:50:03, Howard Exner wrote: >> >>>There was a time, when I used to get frustrated when I could not beat >>>chess programs. I usually lost because of some goofy blunder. Or even >>>when losing could often swindle a draw or a win. Most my defeats from >>>computer opponents today are similar to these above two games. I fall >>>a bit behind as I get out manoevered and cannot escape their icy grip. >> >>Try out shuffle-chess against Hiarcs e.g. and you'll see it overplays you in a >>nice way. :-) > >They beat me consistently in normal chess already. I think in shuffle chess >I would even do worse. All the familiar patterns for me would be gone. >The computer on the other hand would just blissfully go about its >calculating business. > > What is the consensus on humans vs computers >in shuffle chess? Would an IM for example have a better chance in regular >or shuffle chess? Any data out there or opinions expressed by those who >play shuffle chess? I have played a couple of shuffle games on one of the servers. I found the program I played really had problems... because some good rules of thumb in some positions are bad in others, like how to develop, which pawns to push, and so forth. IE one game had the program play a g3/g6 type move, but no bishop on f1/f8 to fill the hole... that can create a weakness that just wouldn't happen normally. I see the same thing with crafty in a particular wild variant where you mirror the board so that all white's pieces are on the 8th rank, all his pawns are on the 7th ready to promote. Crafty can bust you with this because of all the queens, but it is poorly adapted to this without a deep search, because it's development rules are totally lost on this position, king safety is confused by this and so forth... It is fixable, but I don't worry about such since that isn't 'real chess'.
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