Author: Howard Exner
Date: 12:57:56 01/29/99
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On January 29, 1999 at 03:48:42, Harald Faber wrote: >On January 28, 1999 at 12:24:59, Howard Exner wrote: > >>>For IMs and GMs it should be easier to win because programs depend a lot on >>>their opening books. Look what they play withoug opening book. For us patzers >>>strong enough but masters know what and why they play... >> >>As we have moved away from the original topic I hope you don't >>mind that I changed the thread name. My way of thinking about humans vs >>computers at shuffle chess is different. Both are stripped of opening knowledge >>but who will be more at home in the chaos of the shuffle chess position? >>I liken it to composed problems. Computers treat these complex, weird looking >>positions no differently than they do other more familiar positions as >>those found in regular play. Humans on the other hand find such positions >>disorienting. For humans our strength in chess is to a larger degree dependent >>on pattern recognition and familiar themes. Computers while also >>having chess knowledge are known more for their number crunching >>skills.Therefore I think humans may suffer more from the chaotic shuffle chess >>opening position. >> >> I'm not sure how popular this form of chess is for IM's >>but if anyone has some games to share I'd be interested. > >I keep it. I tink that IMs and GMs have better understanding of positions and >therefore better chances. I disagree with this broad statement that IMs and GMs have a better understanding of positions. I would clarify that they have a better understanding of certain chess positions while computers have a better grasp of other certain positions. GM's are saying the same - Anand's comments for example that in tactics computers are hard to bluff. Do you honestly believe that humans are better than computers in solving composed problems ( the mate in X moves kind)? I respect that your opinion and mine differ here. In the end to really substantiate either view, I number of serious Shuffle Chess games would need to be played vs IMs or GMs and compared to there regular chess encounters. It is fun to share our differing views here. It gives us both an insight on how we view what strengths a computer has.
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