Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 03:18:46 02/28/05
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On February 28, 2005 at 00:58:06, Peter Skinner wrote: >On February 27, 2005 at 23:54:25, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>According what you have been pointing out all the weekend, you dont have the >>complete pgn file of the Tournament. If this information is correct, then you >>table is not valid, because you are not considering all the games. >> >>Second, what is the sense of putting an initial value of 2400? Why not 2000 or >>2800? I do not find logic to say an Elo of XXXX based on an incomplete pgn file >>and an initial elo that you put arbitrarily. > >First off. I have _all_ the game that Diep played. The table is valid. > >I looked up all participants in the SSDF, or the WBEC. I averaged out the rating >and came out at 2430. I simply rounded down to 2400. It is valid for who... for yourself? Keep it at home. > >>>It is really that hard to understand? >> >>I return this question. Is it really impossible to understand that your >>estimation is useless? You cannot sell a thing that it is incomplete and it has >>been manipulated. > >How has it been manipulated? The games are in black and white, and can be viewed >on an official website. How can one manipulate that? > >>I dont know, a realistic rating is not based on any assumption that you think it >>is true for yourself. > >I have _two_ lists to base the start value from. I am assuming you can add and >then average numbers correct? > >Try it, numbers are great :) > I also assume that you have a perfect initial value to claim that you have a perfect estimation of elo points based on what? Incomplete pgns? Come on.... Peter. >>As 2 + 2 = 4, How do you put 2400 as the initial value? Really interesting how >>you collapse under a sea of ambiguities. > >How have I collapsed? I have stated the same thing from the very beginning. It >is you that just can't get it through your thick head that there was an actual >formula here. > >As I asked before. Would you like me to adjust the start value to 2500 just to >ease your simple mind? This is pointless you argue with you over. You will never >get it. I argue that an incomplete pgn doesnt show anything about it. 1) You say 11th place, what it is false. 2) You put Elo = 2400 based on ?????; 3) You claimed that you data is perfect.... but just manipulated. > >>PD: Accusing me of being other person says a lot about your person. Just a >>comment. > >And your arguement here is only making you look like a complete idiot. You quote If I look like a complete idiot because you show manipulated data..... 1) I must accept what you are selling without being truth, 2) Because you dont like that somebody can thing different, you accuse him of usurping identities. The oscar was last night..... Come back to the real world.... >previous tournaments, I give you numbers based on those events. You argue those >numbers. I give you numbers based on the just past IPCCC and what a surprise you >argue those as well. > Give a list with the complete pgn file and show realistic data. >And as for accusing you of being another person is just what you are looking >like. I can provide all the data in the world to you, and it will _never_ be >good enough because of your personal view about the strength of Diep. I could >take every single game it has played and come up with an average elo, and you >would argue the start value only to make Diep look better. > >Isn't this what all the fuss is about? That the start value makes Diep's >performance look bad? Well guess what.. IT WAS! Give Diep 100 elo more. Now it >is 2497. Happy now? Maybe 2597? Even better? 2697... use some damn common sense >here and do the math. It is _not_ off base. > >Based on the results at CCT7 and IPCCC2005, I could state the same thing about >Ikarus. This conversation isn't about anything but the _performance_ of Diep. >Not where it finished, not the moon and the stars. Just it's performance. If you want to generate a list of elo for yourself, take a complete file with the official Tournaments and generate something better. An incomplete pgn file, come on. It is just funny. :))
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