Author: Peter Skinner
Date: 21:58:06 02/27/05
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On February 27, 2005 at 23:54:25, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >According what you have been pointing out all the weekend, you dont have the >complete pgn file of the Tournament. If this information is correct, then you >table is not valid, because you are not considering all the games. > >Second, what is the sense of putting an initial value of 2400? Why not 2000 or >2800? I do not find logic to say an Elo of XXXX based on an incomplete pgn file >and an initial elo that you put arbitrarily. First off. I have _all_ the game that Diep played. The table is valid. I looked up all participants in the SSDF, or the WBEC. I averaged out the rating and came out at 2430. I simply rounded down to 2400. >>It is really that hard to understand? > >I return this question. Is it really impossible to understand that your >estimation is useless? You cannot sell a thing that it is incomplete and it has >been manipulated. How has it been manipulated? The games are in black and white, and can be viewed on an official website. How can one manipulate that? >I dont know, a realistic rating is not based on any assumption that you think it >is true for yourself. I have _two_ lists to base the start value from. I am assuming you can add and then average numbers correct? Try it, numbers are great :) >As 2 + 2 = 4, How do you put 2400 as the initial value? Really interesting how >you collapse under a sea of ambiguities. How have I collapsed? I have stated the same thing from the very beginning. It is you that just can't get it through your thick head that there was an actual formula here. As I asked before. Would you like me to adjust the start value to 2500 just to ease your simple mind? This is pointless you argue with you over. You will never get it. >PD: Accusing me of being other person says a lot about your person. Just a >comment. And your arguement here is only making you look like a complete idiot. You quote previous tournaments, I give you numbers based on those events. You argue those numbers. I give you numbers based on the just past IPCCC and what a surprise you argue those as well. And as for accusing you of being another person is just what you are looking like. I can provide all the data in the world to you, and it will _never_ be good enough because of your personal view about the strength of Diep. I could take every single game it has played and come up with an average elo, and you would argue the start value only to make Diep look better. Isn't this what all the fuss is about? That the start value makes Diep's performance look bad? Well guess what.. IT WAS! Give Diep 100 elo more. Now it is 2497. Happy now? Maybe 2597? Even better? 2697... use some damn common sense here and do the math. It is _not_ off base. Based on the results at CCT7 and IPCCC2005, I could state the same thing about Ikarus. This conversation isn't about anything but the _performance_ of Diep. Not where it finished, not the moon and the stars. Just it's performance. Peter
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