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Subject: Re: Delirious?

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 11:49:11 02/06/99

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On February 06, 1999 at 12:48:09, Paulo Soares wrote:

>Could a chess player with rating FIDE below of the 2000
>points ELO, win Kasparov with the aid of a program line top
>running on a PC(for example, a PII-450 with 120Mb RAM), in one
>match 2/40?
>	I believe that yes, it will be that I am being delirious?
>	Already had one match in these circumstances?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Paulo Soares, from Brazil.

A chess player with a FIDE below 2000 can beat Kasparov without
any help at all.  The question is not IF he can beat Kasparov,
but HOW OFTEN.   The whole rating system is based on probabilites
and it's possible for a player of any rating (yes, even a raw
beginner who just learned the rules) to beat any player (even
Kasparov on his best day!)   Of course the probability in this
extreme example is incredibly low, so low in fact we can say
for all PRACTICAL purposes that it's impossible.

Suppose you play a random legal move?  There is a probability
around 1/20 or so that you will pick A BEST move.   I'm assuming
that in many positions there are more than 1 best move, but the
branching factor is approximately 40.    For Kasparov
in any given position, there is a probability of perhaps .95
that he will play a best move.  Since Kasparov probably plays
far from perfect chess I'm guessing at .95 figure.   The odds
that you will RANDOMLY put together enough best moves to play
a perfect game are extremely low.  But it's a lot more complicated
than that.  You don't have to put together a perfect game (since
he probably won't either.)   Also,  it may be good enough to
occasionally pick a good or very good move without it necessarily
being the "best" move.

We don't have to guess however.  Given 2 players with 2 ratings,
we can calculate the winning expectancy of each player.  You
will find that a 1900 player has a tiny but non-zero chance of
beating Kasparov.

In almost every tournament I have ever attended, there will be some
wild upset, crossing several hundred rating points.  There is HUGE
difference between 1900 and 2800 though, the odds are extreme in this
case.

Probably the question you meant to ask is if there is a "reasonable"
chance you (or a 2000 player) could beat Kasparov with help from
a computer.   My personal opinion is that your chances are probably
lower than letting the computer play the game!   I have played
games of consultation and non-consultation chess with other players
in the past and it's not always clear if the team is better than
the best player.  I think it has a lot to do with the personality
and dynamics of the team.  If the weaker player has the strongest
personality, the game will tend to go that players way.  The stronger
player will try to conform to the weaker players style and the
team will be weaker than the strong player.

- Don



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