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Subject: Re: Shortest mate?

Author: David Dahlem

Date: 09:51:04 05/22/05

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On May 22, 2005 at 12:43:15, F. Huber wrote:

>On May 22, 2005 at 12:08:32, David Dahlem wrote:
>
>>On May 22, 2005 at 03:51:47, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On May 21, 2005 at 10:54:12, David Dahlem wrote:
>>>
>>>>What's the shortest forced mate from this position, and can any engine find it
>>>>without tablebases?
>>>>
>>>>[D]2KB4/1P6/2k5/8/8/8/7b/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>Dave
>>>
>>>      No engine (excluding mate searchers) will be able
>>>      to find the mate in 27 withouth EGTB.
>>>      Kurt
>>
>>Thanks Kurt
>>
>>Why is this so difficult for engines? White Queens the pawn on move 13, and the
>>rest is easy. :-)
>>
>>Regards
>>Dave
>
>Hi Dave,
>
>do you have an idea how many moves of the bishops (and kings) are possible
>within these first 13 moves (=26 plies!) ???
>
>I´m sure you have ... ;-)
>
>Regards,
>Franz.

Hi Franz

I understand what you're saying, but with only 5 pieces, it seems that depth of
26 plies should be reached in a reasonable time. And to say no engine can ever
do it, even if given enough time?

Regards
Dave



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