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Subject: Re: Is this draw ? I believe so, Rb1 and Rg3 seem to only Draw.

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 17:03:28 07/05/05

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On July 05, 2005 at 19:55:33, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On July 05, 2005 at 19:26:39, Terry McCracken wrote:
>
>>On July 05, 2005 at 15:04:13, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>
>>>On July 05, 2005 at 14:41:42, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 05, 2005 at 13:37:55, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 05, 2005 at 13:01:07, Yar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>8/7p/4k3/2B5/1P2K3/1r6/8/8 b - -
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes it appears to be a draw unless there is something hidden in the position?
>>>>
>>>>This is a 6-men position. As far as I know, this particular 6-men TB has never
>>>>been available from Robert Hyatt's ftp. But Marc Bourzutschky has created all
>>>>6-men TBs in the chessmaster format. He should be able to give a definite result
>>>>to this position. He might not read this thread. You should be able to find his
>>>>email adress by the CCC search engine.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Dieter
>>>
>>>C:\Crafty>wcrafty.exe
>>>
>>>Initializing multiple threads.
>>>System is SMP, not NUMA.
>>>unable to open book file [./book.bin].
>>>book is disabled
>>>unable to open book file [./books.bin].
>>>
>>>Crafty v19.18 (1 cpus)
>>>
>>>White(1): tbpath=k:\32;k:\21;k:\41;k:\31;k:\22;f:\33p
>>>6 piece tablebase files found
>>>93611kb of RAM used for TB indices and decompression tables
>>>White(1): 8/7p/4k3/2B5/1P2K3/1r6/8/8 b - -
>>>1. ... Rb1! 2. Kf4! Kd5! 3. Kg5 Ke4! 4. Kg4! Ra1 5. Bb6 Ra6 6. Bc5!
>>>Rg6+! 7. Kh3! Kf3! 8. Kh2! Rg2+ 9. Kh3! Rb2 10. Bf8 Rb1! 11. Kh2!
>>>Kg4! 12. Bg7 Rxb4! 13. Be5! Ra4 14. Bb8 Ra2+ 15. Kg1! Kh3 16. Bc7
>>>Rg2+ 17. Kf1! Rg4 18. Kf2! Rg6 19. Bb8 Rg2+ 20. Kf1! Rg4! 21. Bc7
>>>Kh4! 22. Bb8 Kg5 23. Kf2 Kf5 24. Bg3 h5! 25. Kf3! h4! 26. Bb8 Rb4
>>>27. Ba7! Rb2 28. Bd4! Ra2 29. Bb6 h3! 30. Bc7! h2! 31. Bxh2! Rxh2!
>>>32. Ke3! Rh4 33. Kd3! Re4 34. Kc3 Kf4! 35. Kd3 Kf3! 36. Kd2 Re3!
>>>37. Kd1! Re2! 38. Kc1 Rf2 39. Kd1 Ke3! 40. Kc1! Kd3! 41. Kb1! Kc3!
>>>42. Ka1! Kb3! 43. Kb1 Rf1#
>>>              puzzling over a move to ponder.
>>>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>>Black(1): Rb1 [pondering]
>>>              clearing hash tables
>>>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 30.00 (3:30)
>>>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>>              time=0.02  cpu=0%  mat=-2  n=113  fh=100%  nps=10K
>>>              ext-> chk=0 cap=0 pp=0 1rep=0 mate=0
>>>              predicted=0  nodes=113  evals=17  50move=0
>>>              endgame tablebase-> probes=15  hits=15
>>>              hashing-> 65%(raw) 65%(depth)  0%(sat)  94%(pawn)
>>>              hashing-> 65%(exact)  0%(lower)  0%(upper)
>>>              SMP->  split=0  stop=0  data=0/128  cpu=0.00  elap=0.02
>>
>>A win for Black?! I think White is wrong with its K moves and Bg7?? dropping the
>>b pawn, after that its lost!?
>
>By 12.Bg7 white is definitely lost.

Yes, that is losing outright.
I would at lest try Bc5.
>
>Since there is no exclamation point by Bg7, there are several alternatives that
>are equally good/bad depending upon how you look at it (e.g. for 2.Kf4, that is
>clearly the best response but for other moves there may not be a single best
>reply.)
>
>>Are you sure there isn't a bug at work here??
>
>Looks fine to me.  Omniscient tablebase files often cause magically strange
>looking moves.  I am guessing that analysis will show there is not a better
>response.

Maybe, it appears a zugzwang is in the making. TB's certainly don't work like
our minds, and it messed me up a bit.




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