Author: Rick Hagen
Date: 17:58:17 07/26/05
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On July 26, 2005 at 10:03:17, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On July 26, 2005 at 01:33:24, Rick Hagen wrote: > >>On July 26, 2005 at 01:09:27, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On July 25, 2005 at 08:32:32, Rick Hagen wrote: >>> >>>>On July 25, 2005 at 03:34:13, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 24, 2005 at 21:10:22, Rick Hagen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>[...] >>>> >>>>>>The "critical" position seems to be: >>>>>> >>>>>>[D]r1bq1rk1/2p1n1bn/1p1p4/pP1Pp1pp/P1B1Pp2/2NQ1P2/1BPN2PP/R3R1K1 w - - 0 21 >>>>>> >>>>>>It actually looks Shredder plays with a plan here. >>>>>>Bringing it's King to the Q-side, and counter-attacking on the K-side. >>>>> >>>>>Not to me >>>>> >>>> >>>>You deny it_looks_like a plan? >>>> >>> >>>This was certainly just a matter of King safety evaluation and not a plan. >> >>It_looks_like a plan. > >Not to me. This was just necessary to avoid a crushing Kingside attack. Watch the moves: 21.Kf2 22.Rh1 23. Raf1 24.Ke1 25.Kd1 26.Kc1 27.Nd1 28.Thg1 29.Nf2 To avoid a K-side attack and bring the King to the Q-side followed by moving the peaces to the K-side "Looks" like a plan to me. Let's agree to disagree. > >>> >>> >>>>>The critical position is later in the game. >>>>>It seems to me that black is better after shredder's plan. >>>>> >>>>>Here is Shredder's opinion >>>>[...] >>>> >>>>Yes, objectively...black is better. >>>>But.. it is an open position, >>> >>>Nonsense, this is not an open position at all. >> >>[D]2b2r2/2p2rkn/1p1p4/pP1Pp1q1/P3P1N1/2Q2P2/2P1B2N/1K5R b - - 0 1 >> >> >>This position is what we're talking about... > >Nonsense, this is not the position we are talking about. >The position before Kf2 was posted and discussed. No! Follow the thread and look at Uri's responce. Then you know that_this_is the position we're talking about. It seems pretty obvious that the pos. before and including Kf2 is closed. > >The one I had posted occured later in the game. It was almost completely closed. >Only black had a chance to make progress. There was no counter attack for white >at all. > >Anyone can see that it was black who played for the win in this game. He >certainly could have easily drawn this game by simply doing nothing but he had a >pretty overwhelming position. No wonder since Shredder played horrible in the >early middle game. Im referring to the ridiculous Qd2,Qd3,Qe3,Qd3 maneuver >followed by b5. > >His play for a win was justified but he failed miserably. >The mistakes 46...g2? (46...Bxg4 is clearly better for black) and 48...Rh8+? >costed him the game. > >Michael The point is: black player is human, humans make mistakes in open positions. Against computers this becomes very apparent. You can give all the variations you want (engine output no doubt), but in open positions humans hardly stand a chance. RickH >> >>RickH >> >>> >>>Michael >>> >>>> >>>>RickH >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Uri
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