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Subject: Re:No Playchess bug!

Author: Günther Simon

Date: 13:09:02 07/31/05

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On July 31, 2005 at 11:16:26, Vasik Rajlich wrote:

>On July 31, 2005 at 08:36:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On July 31, 2005 at 06:15:01, Günther Simon wrote:
>>
>>>On July 31, 2005 at 00:49:33, Madhavan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 12:33:06, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 11:47:18, Madhavan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 10:00:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 07:07:48, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On July 29, 2005 at 20:01:32, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Some words to the great Alejandro Mendez from playchess. !!!!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Alejandro Mendez(son-of-father), from Argentina, have won to Zappa 2.0b. in a
>>>>>>>>>10+10 time control game.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Son-Of-Father, a human being, have had until 2737 elo into engines room
>>>>>>>>>fromplaychess playing and beating many engines 100% as a human being.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Now the tourn for a k.o. have been to Zappa.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is worse than yellow press.
>>>>>>>>The game was played by a beta tester of Zappa (not by Anthony, not by Arturo)
>>>>>>>>and it was played at the crappy Playchess server with a buggy GUI (the only
>>>>>>>>one allowed there). The buggy GUI cannot play on after move 256.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am not sure if the chessbase interface cannot play on or if it sends the
>>>>>>>engine wrong information that cause it to lose on time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I tested Movei under the chessbase interface not in playchess and one of the
>>>>>>>problem is that after move 256 the interface send fen and not a move.
>>>>>>>It also seems to me that the chessbase interface does not send correct time to
>>>>>>>the engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>and in 10+10 assumes that the time remaining is always 610 seconds regardless to
>>>>>>>the time on the clock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>programs probably can play if they do not believe the time that the interface
>>>>>>>tell them but they should also know to ignore the position that they
>>>>>>>get(otherwise they can do repetition in a better position for no reason).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I checked out the playchess site,once you offer a draw,you can't claim to offer
>>>>>>more draws unless 5 moves are made after the 1st claim,the bug has been fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Even if you can now only offer silly draws after 5 moves it is an incredible
>>>>>bug, that the _opponent_ needs to close that silly draw offers on _his_ time.
>>>>
>>>>sir,Its not like a player cannot have chance to offer draw.5 moves is reasonable
>>>>when you play in tournament[physical presence]I bet you can bug your winning
>>>>opponent with more draws in less than 1 move!how can your opponent ignore you?
>>>
>>>This is forbidden, you should know?
>>>
>>>>
>>>>ignoring a draw is just a matter of pressing spacebar,you have to click the draw
>>>>on the corner which takes more time for you to do just that than your winning
>>>>opponent pressing space bar.
>>>>
>>>>>Most people play blitz or even bullet there,(you e.g. play only bullet I see...)
>>>>
>>>>What's your playchess user Id?
>>>>have you spectated any of my games?
>>>>
>>>>>so 5 moves are just nothing and you are able to annoy your winning opponent
>>>>>again.
>>>>
>>>>see above.5 moves are reasonable,winning player should have oppurtinity to offer
>>>>draw to ahis opponent if he had lless time left in his clock.otherwise the
>>>>winning player would lose on time inspite of positinal and material advantage.
>>>
>>>You seem not to understand? It is about declining draw offers!
>>>There is no reason that a winning player has to lose time on random actions
>>>to a sour loser, anyone will get this.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sometimes I think such GUIs are only made by non chess players...
>>>>
>>>>Chess Grandmasters designed Chessbase GUI,its very nice and better than any
>>>>other online server GUI's,better than Arena[not a 3d,no even a 2d]I might add.
>>>
>>>Nonsense and nonsense, Arena is no chess server.
>>>ICC is much better than PlayChess and also ChessAssistant chess server is
>>>better, PlayChess as usual doesn't care for fixing bugs like M$.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>What about the abort offers BTW?
>>>>
>>>>thats nonsense,winning player should have oppurtinity to accept the draw offer
>>>>when he has enough time left in his clock
>>>
>>>No idea what you are talking about? See above. Moreover why do you talk no
>>>agian about offreing draws?? You ansered a sentence now about 'aborting'!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Such a feature only leads to permanent cheating attempts.
>>>>
>>>>Cheating?you couldnt cheat on chessbase server
>>>
>>>Haha, you seem already brainwashed by Playchess propaganda. You have
>>>never seen that around 1 player about every 5 minutes is caught cheating?
>>>And this is only the tip of the iceberg, most will never be caught...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>(There are lots of cheaters anyway, if one searches through the lists,
>>>>>one can find people with ridiculous national ratings having > 2300 in
>>>>>bullet and blitz)
>>>>
>>>>I would like to let you know that Playchess rating is not measured as per FIDe
>>>>rating,Playchess rating evaluates very low for a good FIDE rated player,there
>>>>are many players having 2200 FIDe rating but less playchess rating[about 1700]
>>>>If the player is rated 2000 in playchess server,he might be around 2400 FIDE
>>>>elo.and in other case,my internet connection is very slow,damn slow!and I was
>>>>playing bullet games.
>>>
>>>It's exactly different Playchess ratings are much too high regarding
>>>FIDE ratings, thats true for all chess servers except FICS.
>>
>>It is correct only if you look at the rating of the best players.
>>if you look at blitz rating of players with fide rating near 2000 then it is not
>>always the case and in significant part of the cases players have better fide
>>rating relative to blitz rating.
>>
>>Uri
>
>Server ratings are pretty strange. I have several friends who are in normal
>blitz about my level, whose ICC ratings are 300 points above mine.
>
>I also doubt it's just because of cheating. You should be able to get at least a
>3000 rating if you cheat and have a working brain. Besides, some of these people
>have played 2000+ games. I'd think it would get a bit boring after a while.
>
>Vas

Vas, not all cheaters are that stupid to come up with a 3000 rating,
when they know they will get away with 2500, without any action from
the mods there.

Guenther



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