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Subject: Re: Paradigm changes, Junior-Fruit

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 14:59:20 08/01/05

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On August 01, 2005 at 15:16:55, Peter Berger wrote:

>ROTFL - sorry for the subject line .. - hope I can still post sth of at least
>limitted interest.
>
>1.) Toying around with Fruit 2.1 currently - that would be change no 1 - now
>there is a free open source amateur engine that is just as strong as the
>strongest commercials on ordinary PCs . No, that's no news anymore. But just as
>others I had to see it for myself, despite various previous reports.
>
>2.) Second one is about openings. Dann Corbit built an interesting book for
>Fruit IMHO. I guess it's completely automated, but he chose a good point to
>leave book, usually about 2 or 3 moves before known theory ends, with something
>like 10-15 moves of opening theory on average. And in several games Fruit finds
>interesting and valid alternatives to grandmaster analysis.
>
>Just a little example ( my sources might be slightly dated as I don't play the
>Ruy from either side).
>
>[Event "50 3"]
>[Site "Centrino 1.6- PIV 3.2"]
>[Date "2005.08.01"]
>[Round "11"]
>[White "Junior 9.0.0.3"]
>[Black "Fruit 2.1"]
>[ECO "C80"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>
>1. e4 {0s} e5 {+0.01/1 1s} 2. Nf3 {3s} Nc6 {+0.01/1 0s}
>3. Bb5 {2s} a6 {+0.01/1 0s} 4. Ba4 {2s} Nf6 {+0.01/1 0s}
>5. O-O {3s} Nxe4 {+0.01/1 0s} 6. d4 {2s} b5 {+0.01/1 0s}
>7. Bb3 {2s} d5 {+0.01/1 0s} 8. dxe5 {3s} Be6 {+0.01/1 0s}
>9. Nbd2 {3s} Nc5 {+0.01/1 0s} 10. c3 {3s} d4 {+0.01/1 0s}
>11. Ng5 {3s} dxc3 {+0.01/1 0s} 12. Nxe6 {4s} fxe6 {+0.01/1
>0s} 13. bxc3 {4s} Qd3 {+0.01/1 0s} 14. Bc2 {4s} Qxc3
>{+0.42/13 1:16m} 15. Nb3 {3s}
>
>A famous line of the Open Ruy known to be busted (11. .. dxc3?!) - that's
>Kasparov-Anand, New York PCA WCh (10) 1995, 14. Bc2 is ! and 15. Nb3!! . NCO and
>ECO have a look at 15. ...Nxb3 and 15. ...Rd8 and prove a clear white advantage.
>Fruit, ever sceptical, just takes on e5 (and how come this move doesn't even get
>mentioned?).
>
>[D]r3kb1r/2p3pp/p1n1p3/1pn1P3/8/1Nq5/P1B2PPP/R1BQ1RK1 b kq -
>
>Whatever the absolute thruth, Fruit got very decent compensation for the
>exchange in the game and in fact had little trouble to reach a major advantage
>against the world champion, who lacked counterplay and pawn levers. Most moves
>even looked very obvious. Similar happened in several other Fruit games I have
>watched. I am getting more and more sceptical of classical opening books.

I am sceptical about Qxe5. Of course black should have avoided a Qeen trade by
any means in this game with 19.Qxd2 or should have played other moves before.
19. Ne4 was a huge strategical blunder.

IMO not a single Master would trade Qeens in such a position.
A typical example of short sighted computer play.

Michael



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