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Subject: Re: Zappa looks to have a winning position over Fruit...

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 10:57:30 08/15/05

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On August 15, 2005 at 13:51:38, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:

>On August 15, 2005 at 13:27:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 15, 2005 at 13:10:37, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>
>>>On August 15, 2005 at 12:23:47, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>If the engine is strong enough it is sufficient to have strong engine.
>>>>based on the times in the pgn that I read Fruit was out of book in move 3
>>>>Unfortunately it could not find moves that are good enough.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I am sure that you are wrong.  Just remember Hydra's loss to Shredder when it
>>>lost in 30 moves while still in book.  There are many other examples which show
>>>that a good engien must have a good book to be competitive.
>>>
>>>Without a good book an engine is an easy prey.  But this is an old thread and if
>>>you remember an average guess about the worth of a good book was ranging from
>>>100 up to 250 points.  I'd settle for about 150 points at slow time controls,
>>>with 250 points at blitz.
>>>
>>>
>>>Djordje
>>
>>For engine that is good enough big book is obviously a mistake because it can
>>find better moves by itself.
>>
>>The example of hydra proves nothing because it is an example of a bad book and
>>not of not having a good book.
>>
>>There is a difference.
>>I consider bad book as book with bad moves when I consider not having a good
>>book as not having a book or having a book with not enough moves.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>I am afraid that I never said that a good book is a big book.  A good book is a
>book that has good lines in it.  Period.  You kept talking about a possibly big
>book which is something I had not mentioned.
>
>A good book for Fruit should have had 3...c5! in D00 (1.Nc3 / 1.d4...etc).

And an engine that is strong enough could find 3...c5 if this was the mistake of
fruit.

Uri



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