Author: Djordje Vidanovic
Date: 12:27:07 08/15/05
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On August 15, 2005 at 13:57:30, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 15, 2005 at 13:51:38, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: > >>On August 15, 2005 at 13:27:44, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On August 15, 2005 at 13:10:37, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >>> >>>>On August 15, 2005 at 12:23:47, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>If the engine is strong enough it is sufficient to have strong engine. >>>>>based on the times in the pgn that I read Fruit was out of book in move 3 >>>>>Unfortunately it could not find moves that are good enough. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I am sure that you are wrong. Just remember Hydra's loss to Shredder when it >>>>lost in 30 moves while still in book. There are many other examples which show >>>>that a good engien must have a good book to be competitive. >>>> >>>>Without a good book an engine is an easy prey. But this is an old thread and if >>>>you remember an average guess about the worth of a good book was ranging from >>>>100 up to 250 points. I'd settle for about 150 points at slow time controls, >>>>with 250 points at blitz. >>>> >>>> >>>>Djordje >>> >>>For engine that is good enough big book is obviously a mistake because it can >>>find better moves by itself. >>> >>>The example of hydra proves nothing because it is an example of a bad book and >>>not of not having a good book. >>> >>>There is a difference. >>>I consider bad book as book with bad moves when I consider not having a good >>>book as not having a book or having a book with not enough moves. >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>I am afraid that I never said that a good book is a big book. A good book is a >>book that has good lines in it. Period. You kept talking about a possibly big >>book which is something I had not mentioned. >> >>A good book for Fruit should have had 3...c5! in D00 (1.Nc3 / 1.d4...etc). > >And an engine that is strong enough could find 3...c5 if this was the mistake of >fruit. > >Uri No, no engine could find its way out of a fundamentally bad setup that Fruit was in after being blocked in the centre and after being all open up for white advances on the king side. The position that ensued after the opening was smiply strategically lost. So it is not enough for an engine to be strong on its own, it has to be encompanied by a good book. And we just discussed what kind of book is a good book. Djordje
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