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Subject: Re: Premature burial

Author: Thomas Logan

Date: 17:21:30 09/09/05

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On September 09, 2005 at 19:49:03, Roger Brown wrote:

>On September 09, 2005 at 18:37:39, Thomas Logan wrote:
>
>>To know one in particular
>>
>>Last I looked Shredder is a chessbase engine
>>
>>IMHO no currently widely available engine has surpassed it
>>
>>at classical time control
>
>
>Hello Thomas,
>
>Last I looked at the SSDF list, the ruling version of Shredder was version 9
>UCI.  This is not a chessbase product.

The cb version is of equal strength
>
>>
>>A new Shredder will be out soon
>
>
>Versions 7 (UCI)and 9 (UCI) currently sit at positions 3 and 1.  Any bets that
>Shredder 10 UCI will be up there?

I do not expect that Shredder 10 will be weaker than 7.04 or 9
>
>
>>
>>Hiarcs 10 is around the corner
>>
>>A beta version of Hiarcs scored 6-4 against Zappa
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>>while the results are of limited importance it does show Zappa>
>>will not have a cake walk and who knows it may eventually wind up being a
>>chessbase engine. Stranger things have happened
>
>
>Zappa's author has said similar things on numerous occasions (leaving out the
>part about becoming a chessbase engine...).

Yes

New and old realities clash for supremacy and the conclusion is not yet written


>
>>
>>And Fruit who knows ?
>
>
>Indeed.  That engine is going to raise more than eyebrows...
>
>
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>>These are new and interresting times but don't bury the old guard just yet
>
>
>No burial is contemplated here *but* it is interesting that once upon a time
>there would have been zero discussion on who was king of the jungle.

That is true and most amazing

Such thought were unthinkable just a little while ago
>
>It simply makes for a fascinating future when two formerly free engines burst
>into the forefront the way Fruit and Zappa have.  There is a debt owed to
>engines that went before such as Ruffian, Crafty, Yace and TSCP.

>Some persons may have buried those great ones in the stampede to engine #
>7001.09.00 but on my machine they will never die.
>
>This is a golden age of computerchess and I for one will not weep if out of it
>if, as a final consumer of computerchess, I am faced with a bewildering number
>of choices rather than having just one or two or three.

Amen
>
>I am greedy, give me more and more until I cannot stand it.

And amen again
>
>:-)
>
>Later.
Tom



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