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Subject: Re: Deeper Gary has just been released

Author: Don Dailey

Date: 14:15:26 03/03/99

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On March 03, 1999 at 14:30:44, KarinsDad wrote:

>On March 03, 1999 at 12:40:05, Don Dailey wrote:
>
>[snip]
>>
>>I'm tired of speculating however.  The truth of the matter is
>>that Deep Blue won.  The only scientifically valid conclusion
>>you can draw from this is that it is slightly more likely that
>>Deep Blue is the better match player.
>
>Actually, this conclusion is just as speculative as a conclusion in the other
>direction.

Woops, a little mistake by you,  better review your theory.

If you do an ELO rating of the match  you will discover that Deep Blue
will get the higher rating.  What does this  mean?  It means you there
is small degree of statistical  confidence that Deep  Blue is a better
player.  Not much, but some.  And this is EXACTLY what I said.

Saying that it  is just as likely that  Kasparov is better because  he
LOST (huh???) indicates   to me that  you  might need to  brush  up on
probability and statistics.

Your comment does exposes a very common misconception that people have
when   it  comes to probability  and  statistics.   Your  next comment
exposes the roots of this, where you seem to indicate that the size of
the sample tells you whether you  can say something conclusively.  You
say, "Scientifically speaking, the sample set for either conclusion is
too small to be  conclusive."  This is  actually true, but the  sample
size has nothing to do with it unless the sample  size is INFINITE and
I don't think you meant that, especially  if you don't even understand
basic probability theory.

Now it's possible you  are using the  gray definition of "conclusive."
You know, the one where you play Kasparov a 24 game match and he beats
you 24-0.  Then we might  say, "he has proven  conclusively that he is
the better player."  He hasn't REALLY  proven he is better, but almost
any fool would bet on him for the second match!  But it doesn't matter
which definition you  use,  it doesn't  invalidate my   assertion that
based on the result of the match, it is SLIGHTLY more likely that Deep
Blue is the better  player.  If you  don't  understand this, then  you
just don't understand that  a 2800 player   will probably beat  a 1200
player and you shouldn't be trying to correct people.


I don't mind being corrected if I am wrong, but at least make sure you
know what you are talking about.

- Don





>Scientifically speaking, the sample set for either conclusion is too small to be
>conclusive. Statistically, there isn't enough evidence to determine the better
>match player.
>
>KarinsDad









>>   Anything more than this
>>is a very fallible judgement call and speculation.
>>
>[snip]



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