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Subject: Re: An Experiment that disproves Hyatt's 1000X NPS Theory

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:51:04 09/17/05

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On September 17, 2005 at 17:10:00, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:

>On September 17, 2005 at 13:42:07, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On September 17, 2005 at 10:04:32, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>>
>>>Hyatt has claimed many times that a Nodes Per Second Factor of one thousand
>>>times would not be overcome by the program with the less Nodes per second.In
>>>this Experiment it was shown conclusively that this is false .Although I played
>>>4 games ,I do not think the result would have been different if I had played a
>>>hundred more.Time Control 40 MOVES IN 2 HOURS followed by sudden death in 1
>>>hour.Hardware: GNU CHESS 4.11 a program from 1996 ran a celeron 1.8 Gig machine
>>>;Chess Tiger on Palm ran on the Palm Tungten E.NODES PER SECOND:ON THE
>>>AVERAGE:CHESSTIGER ON PALM 500 per second ,GNU CHESS 4.11 500000 per second on
>>>the celeron 1.8 Gig.1000X DIFFERENCE.Hyatt and some other people have always
>>>argued about the supremecy of DeepBlue based on its speed.I think these days
>>>these arguments are false;and Speed does not mean as much as it used to.Deep
>>>blue would be crushed by todays program's.A lot of STRENGTH is EVALUATION
>>>FUNCTION.Take a look at these games:
>>>Match ended in 2-2 draw.
>>
>>The idea of testing this is certainly interesting but the conditions seem rather
>>dubious IMHO. For one thing, 4 games really is COMPLETELY meaningless, andwith
>>all due respect to claim you don't think the result could have been different
>>shows how much you don't understand this.
>>
>>BTW, does Tiger really only get 500 nodes per second on your Palm? That seems
>>ridiculously low. I don't have Tiger, nor a Palm for that matter, but on my Dell
>>Pocket PC at 624MHz, I get about 50,000 nps on average for Fruit 2.1.
>>
>>Note that if one is to believe the results of Hiarcs site
>>(http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm), Tiger on the Palm has inordinately bad
>>results (they claim it plays over 400 points worse than Hiarcs on identical
>>hardware, which is HUGE), so perhaps it isn't the ideal choice.
>>
>>                                        Albert
>Yes indeed Tiger does get 500 Nps on the palm Tungsten E.Note that it is Hyatt's
>claim that I am disproving.According to him a NPS of 1000X factor would be
>impossible to overcome even in 4 games


No, what you are disproving is a false statement you are making.  Since I never
said what you claim, it would be just a bit difficult to disprove it, since it
was never said.

Grow up or try again...



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