Author: ALI MIRAFZALI
Date: 04:24:43 09/18/05
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On September 17, 2005 at 21:51:04, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On September 17, 2005 at 17:10:00, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: > >>On September 17, 2005 at 13:42:07, Albert Silver wrote: >> >>>On September 17, 2005 at 10:04:32, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: >>> >>>>Hyatt has claimed many times that a Nodes Per Second Factor of one thousand >>>>times would not be overcome by the program with the less Nodes per second.In >>>>this Experiment it was shown conclusively that this is false .Although I played >>>>4 games ,I do not think the result would have been different if I had played a >>>>hundred more.Time Control 40 MOVES IN 2 HOURS followed by sudden death in 1 >>>>hour.Hardware: GNU CHESS 4.11 a program from 1996 ran a celeron 1.8 Gig machine >>>>;Chess Tiger on Palm ran on the Palm Tungten E.NODES PER SECOND:ON THE >>>>AVERAGE:CHESSTIGER ON PALM 500 per second ,GNU CHESS 4.11 500000 per second on >>>>the celeron 1.8 Gig.1000X DIFFERENCE.Hyatt and some other people have always >>>>argued about the supremecy of DeepBlue based on its speed.I think these days >>>>these arguments are false;and Speed does not mean as much as it used to.Deep >>>>blue would be crushed by todays program's.A lot of STRENGTH is EVALUATION >>>>FUNCTION.Take a look at these games: >>>>Match ended in 2-2 draw. >>> >>>The idea of testing this is certainly interesting but the conditions seem rather >>>dubious IMHO. For one thing, 4 games really is COMPLETELY meaningless, andwith >>>all due respect to claim you don't think the result could have been different >>>shows how much you don't understand this. >>> >>>BTW, does Tiger really only get 500 nodes per second on your Palm? That seems >>>ridiculously low. I don't have Tiger, nor a Palm for that matter, but on my Dell >>>Pocket PC at 624MHz, I get about 50,000 nps on average for Fruit 2.1. >>> >>>Note that if one is to believe the results of Hiarcs site >>>(http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm), Tiger on the Palm has inordinately bad >>>results (they claim it plays over 400 points worse than Hiarcs on identical >>>hardware, which is HUGE), so perhaps it isn't the ideal choice. >>> >>> Albert >>Yes indeed Tiger does get 500 Nps on the palm Tungsten E.Note that it is Hyatt's >>claim that I am disproving.According to him a NPS of 1000X factor would be >>impossible to overcome even in 4 games > > >No, what you are disproving is a false statement you are making. Since I never >said what you claim, it would be just a bit difficult to disprove it, since it >was never said. > >Grow up or try again... Well ,this is what you have said in the past:Programs of similar search techniques or something to this effect.I do remember you and me having this conversation in another thread .At that time I was going to try to find a 1000X NPS difference Experiment.And why do you call GNU chess4 a lousy program?For 1996 standards it was good.But this is the whole point:Deep Blue was also 1997 standards.
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