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Subject: Re: An Experiment that disproves Hyatt's 1000X NPS Theory

Author: ALI MIRAFZALI

Date: 04:24:43 09/18/05

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On September 17, 2005 at 21:51:04, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On September 17, 2005 at 17:10:00, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>
>>On September 17, 2005 at 13:42:07, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>On September 17, 2005 at 10:04:32, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hyatt has claimed many times that a Nodes Per Second Factor of one thousand
>>>>times would not be overcome by the program with the less Nodes per second.In
>>>>this Experiment it was shown conclusively that this is false .Although I played
>>>>4 games ,I do not think the result would have been different if I had played a
>>>>hundred more.Time Control 40 MOVES IN 2 HOURS followed by sudden death in 1
>>>>hour.Hardware: GNU CHESS 4.11 a program from 1996 ran a celeron 1.8 Gig machine
>>>>;Chess Tiger on Palm ran on the Palm Tungten E.NODES PER SECOND:ON THE
>>>>AVERAGE:CHESSTIGER ON PALM 500 per second ,GNU CHESS 4.11 500000 per second on
>>>>the celeron 1.8 Gig.1000X DIFFERENCE.Hyatt and some other people have always
>>>>argued about the supremecy of DeepBlue based on its speed.I think these days
>>>>these arguments are false;and Speed does not mean as much as it used to.Deep
>>>>blue would be crushed by todays program's.A lot of STRENGTH is EVALUATION
>>>>FUNCTION.Take a look at these games:
>>>>Match ended in 2-2 draw.
>>>
>>>The idea of testing this is certainly interesting but the conditions seem rather
>>>dubious IMHO. For one thing, 4 games really is COMPLETELY meaningless, andwith
>>>all due respect to claim you don't think the result could have been different
>>>shows how much you don't understand this.
>>>
>>>BTW, does Tiger really only get 500 nodes per second on your Palm? That seems
>>>ridiculously low. I don't have Tiger, nor a Palm for that matter, but on my Dell
>>>Pocket PC at 624MHz, I get about 50,000 nps on average for Fruit 2.1.
>>>
>>>Note that if one is to believe the results of Hiarcs site
>>>(http://www.hiarcs.com/phresults.htm), Tiger on the Palm has inordinately bad
>>>results (they claim it plays over 400 points worse than Hiarcs on identical
>>>hardware, which is HUGE), so perhaps it isn't the ideal choice.
>>>
>>>                                        Albert
>>Yes indeed Tiger does get 500 Nps on the palm Tungsten E.Note that it is Hyatt's
>>claim that I am disproving.According to him a NPS of 1000X factor would be
>>impossible to overcome even in 4 games
>
>
>No, what you are disproving is a false statement you are making.  Since I never
>said what you claim, it would be just a bit difficult to disprove it, since it
>was never said.
>
>Grow up or try again...
Well ,this is what you have said in the past:Programs of similar search
techniques or something to this effect.I do remember you and me having this
conversation in another thread .At that time I was going to try to find a 1000X
NPS difference Experiment.And why do you call GNU chess4 a lousy program?For
1996 standards it was good.But this is the whole point:Deep Blue was also 1997
standards.



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