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Subject: Re: Collector's Corner..Res-Fruit 05 VS. RES-Ruffian

Author: Stefan Ottow

Date: 05:43:26 11/05/05

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On November 05, 2005 at 08:17:11, Steve B wrote:

>>
>>We did not make any restriction regarding whether or not a chess computer is
>>commercially available or not. Even tuned machines of the same program are
>>welcome just to study the influence of the speed on the program strength.
>>Therefore we also added the V11, knowing that in the meanwhile quite a lot
>>machines are existing (maybe more than R40s!) and we were able to collect more
>>than 200 tournament (!) games in less than 1 year! Of course one can discuss
>>whether or not the chess machines shouls show up, but as at least the CM at 14
>>MHz are absolutely identical to the Mephisto RISC modules we decided to merge
>>them. Therefore we also took the 32 MHz CM in the list.
>
>
>Sorry Stefan  i cannot agree
>the CM is not a dedicated computer and therefore should not be used
>in my poor opinion it pollutes the rating pool
>if you make allowance for the CM chess card..why not Fritz or Shredder?
>i am sure many members of .info(of which i am a proud memeber) also have these
>programs

Steve,

you are maybe right it is not a stand alone chess computer but our decision was
based on the fact that the used hardware for the RISC modules and the CM 1 MB w/
14 MHz is absolute identical, Micha (chessguru) proved it with some games. The
same is true for the 32 MHz machine the hardware it is identical with the R30 I
guess and when you run the chess machine with the King 2.2 you have a R30 2.2. I
guess the Chess Machines are really the cross betwen the "good old days" and the
"modern world". They are neither fish nor fowl...

What you will never see in the list are PDAs or Palms with a connected DGT board
and a Pocket Fritz, Hiarcs, Friut  or whatever program (although some might
argue that the hardware might be comparable to the Resurrection ;-) ).

>
>AS to the V11,well ..i can only say that the fact that Herr B.  sold many of
>these modified computers should in no way make it a part of the significant work
>being done with the rating lists
>
>again i ask..why not simply tear out the insides of a Novag Diablo and re-equip
>it with more powerful hardware and toss it into the competition?
>
>but..if you have decided to use this modified computer then at least this a
>dedicated computer and not a PC chess card

The crutial point for me here is may more scientific. Isn't it interesting to
see the influence of the speed on the same program? Sometimes the programs
really develop with the speed and I guess it is obviously the case for V11. And
as we do not have any commercial interests, why not?

best regards
Stefan




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