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Subject: Re: Blitz: Rybka vs Rybka

Author: Thomas Logan

Date: 07:54:11 01/01/06

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On January 01, 2006 at 10:09:35, James T. Walker wrote:

>On January 01, 2006 at 07:30:28, Thomas Logan wrote:
>
>>On January 01, 2006 at 04:26:22, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>>
>>>On December 31, 2005 at 22:11:58, Thomas Logan wrote:
>>>
>>>>I have seen concern expressed that later versions of Rybka may
>>>>
>>>>weaker than the early vesion especially at blitz
>>>>
>>>>To that end a quick 20 game match bewteen Rybka 1.0 beta vs Rybka 1.01 beta 7
>>>>
>>>>The results
>>>>
>>>>THOMAS-KBZT8WLT, Blitz:5'  0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1   Rybka 1.01 Beta 7 32-bit  +5/-1/=14 60.00   12.0/20
>>>>2   Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit     +1/-5/=14 40.00    8.0/20
>>>>
>>>>At slower Speed Rybka preview 2 did nominally better vs Fritz 9
>>>>than preview 1
>>>>
>>>>THOMAS-KBZT8WLT, 40'/40+40'/40+40'  0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1   Rybka 1.01 Preview 2 32-bit  +13/-5/=12 63.33   19.0/30
>>>>2   Fritz 9                      +5/-13/=12 36.67   11.0/30
>>>>
>>>>THOMAS-KBZT8WLT, 40'/40+40'/40+40'  0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>1   Rybka 1.0 Preview 32-bit  +12/-5/=13 61.67   18.5/30
>>>>2   Fritz 9                   +5/-12/=13 38.33   11.5/30
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>
>>>Tom,
>>>
>>>the only game-playing differences between the any of the released versions of
>>>Rybka are in time management.
>>>
>>>This will finally change (slightly) with Rybka 1.1 and a bit more with Rybka
>>>1.2.
>>>
>>>Vas
>>
>>Hi Vas
>>
>>Yes the comment I had seen was than the later versions did not use time as well
>>thus was weaker at blitz
>>
>>A result I have not seen
>>
>>Looking foward to the release of 1.1
>>
>>regards
>>Tom
>
>You are not going to see it in a few games.  I have over 300 games now with all
>3 versions and the results show Beta 15 points above Preview 2 and Preview 2 10
>points above Beta 7.  Even my 300+ games are not enough to be sure but it looks
>like the new time management has a slight negative impact on the blitz strength.
> I don't like giving up even 25 Elo points.  At the top level they are all
>precious.  Note I have not tested the new "slow" time management function.

Hi

Perhaps this is something Vas may concern himself with

Were you matching the rybka's head to head against each other or against other
programs ?

If other programs was the same number games played against each opponent ?

Were all using same book ?

What were the scores & error bars of each program ?

Personally blitz does not concern me much but it would be interresting to know

Tom






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