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Subject: Re: No offense, but I think it invalidates the results.

Author: Graham Banks

Date: 18:02:49 01/18/06

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On January 18, 2006 at 20:50:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote:

>On January 18, 2006 at 20:33:34, Graham Banks wrote:
>
>>On January 18, 2006 at 20:02:28, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>On January 18, 2006 at 19:18:42, robert flesher wrote:
>>>
>>>>Thank-you for the observation, however, unless its a book loss which it is not I
>>>>think it is fair game. Although I understand that perhaps this can stastically
>>>>alter the final results, maybe not. I guess book learning would fix this issue,
>>>>it does give me some thinking to do, cheers.
>>>
>>>With all due respect, I think it simply invalidates the results. 1 game in 6 had
>>>the exact same opening? How can one possibly compare the strength of the engines
>>>in such a case?
>>>
>>>                                        Albert
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi Albert,
>>
>>I don't think you'll find that Robert is the only person who tests like this and
>>he certainly won't be alone in thinking that it's fine, especially if learning
>>is activated.
>>Because I test with learning off and use generic books, I don't allow any
>>duplicate opening lines, that is the position at which the engines leave the
>>book.
>>There are those who criticise this also.
>
>Exactly. Well said. I see we have a problem. A problem for the loving fans of
>Rybka who dont want to see that messages say "Rybka lost in a match against
>XY..." It's like my problem to post my opinions in a minority of one against a
>majority and its mods who say "Rolf, please dont post such opinions, it does
>make the fans angry..." - This is somehow unbelievable. And please, Graham, dont
>tell me "But Rolf, I did never tell you this this way". I agree, but in that
>sense you did it. I still dont get your logic. Hundreds are posting in favor of
>Rybka and a single critic wants to say that nothing is proven yet. And this is
>hurting these hundreds? - Now someone is posting a defeat for Rybka and
>imediately someone comes and tells him that his data are meaningless or less
>worth because of disadvantage for Rybka because it still has not this or that?
>What's going on here, Graham? I was never and I will never be part of a mass
>hystery. No way. And as far as I understand what democracy means? It's the
>protection of the minority to speak freely its opinions.
>
>
>>To each his own, but as long as testing conditions and preferences are made
>>clear, members can make up their own minds about the usefulness or validity of
>>any testing.
>>
>>Regards, Graham.


Hi Rolf,

to be honest, whether Hiarcs 10 or Rybka won the match is irrelevant to the
intention of my comments.
Albert criticised Robert's testing. I stated that Robert's way of testing is
used by many. I don't agree with it either, but then there are those who would
criticise my way of testing also.
Computer chess is a hobby for most of us, so we each test in the way that we
prefer.

Regards, Graham.



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