Author: Albert Silver
Date: 16:06:11 01/30/06
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On January 30, 2006 at 16:05:54, Ted Summers wrote:
>On January 30, 2006 at 13:39:16, Albert Silver wrote:
>
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>>
>>Remove the opening book? Remove the endgame tablebases? I really fail to see how
>>that is going to make it a 'level playing field'. All you will be doing is
>>devising ways to weaken the program, so that humans can beat them.
>>
>>Eventually, even that won't help, and then what will you do to 'level the
>>playing field'? Less RAM? No CPUs over 1 GHz allowed? You either accept that a
>>program is exactly that: a program. And cannot be compared to a human, or you
>>start treating it as a human, and demand all kinds of silly things of it. For
>>example, it is forbidden to take notes during the play. Programs do exactly that
>>with their hashtables. They write down the moves and evaluations and consult
>>them. This is forbidden! Etc. You get the picture.
>>
>> Albert
>>
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>So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that chess programs are so weak
>that they need to "look up" opening book moves and endgame databases in order to
>win? Humans are not allowed to do that, they have to depend on their memory.
Chess programs are composed of everything the program provides, including
tablebases, and opening books. Read what I wrote above:
"For example, it is forbidden to take notes during the play. Programs do exactly
that with their hashtables. They write down the moves and evaluations and
consult them. This is forbidden! Etc."
Otherwise, feel free to demand that computers not be allowed to drink too much
coffee as per the anti-doping rules enforced by FIDE.
>So does that mean that the great chess engines Fritz, Shredder, Hiarcs, Rybka,
>etc, are really not so great after all. Since they do not go by the FIDE rules
>of chess by using opening books and endgame databases (Aka: Aids)
Yes, and they take notes as mentioned above:
"For example, it is forbidden to take notes during the play. Programs do exactly
that with their hashtables. They write down the moves and evaluations and
consult them. This is forbidden! Etc."
Albert
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