Author: Alex Shalamanov
Date: 07:26:24 02/22/06
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On February 22, 2006 at 09:36:48, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >It was interesting to read the many comments on my _report_ [not novel or lyric] >about the clear win of FRITZ over RYBKA 13b in the CSS Online Masters. For the >first time one of the classic professionals brought to an abrupt halt the >overwhelming success of Rybka since Dec 2005. What is the situation? > >What does this show to the knowing expert? > >It proves something what is always completely ignored. That it's showing a >faulty picture if people just let autoplay some engines. The pretended >objectivity of such little tournaments is in reality a forging of reality. >Because chess isnt something automatical. What in human chess is the will of the >player that is in computerchess the talent and motivation of the operator. >Without the care of the operator a program cant play its best chess. Also it >makes absolutely no sense to play two engines on a single computer machine. >Because that rips all of the best in chess off the player. Pondering off, PB >off. Arrghh! - All this is as if you would hold a Grand Prix of F1 in a small >garage and where you compare and compeat the accustic roar of the motors to >claim the new winner. Of course this would be seen as the invention of a manical >psychopath. Autoplayed engine tournament on a single PC isnt that different... >Sorry folks. > >The result of the CSS Online Masters, altough belittled by the many Rybka fans, >proves without a doubt that Rybka isnt flying high over the clouds while all >others must crawl deep in mole hills. Not at all. Chrilly already published the >main point months ago. The special and new pawn advancer code is worth around 80 >Elo points. Period. To prove this you dont need hundreds of autoplayed >"tournaments". Chrilly knew it from the code and a single game Zappa vs Rybka >from Paderborn. > >And for this pawn-pusher-turbo against completely unaware competition the freaks >paid 34 € until May 2006. So, to enjoy a special turbo advantage they paid 34€ >for 4 months. (102 € a year!) (Nobody seems to care of what will happen if the >first competitors add something in their code.) > >Fritz (with operator) vs Rybka (with operator) 3-1! In the final of a long >tournament without autoplayer routine. > >Do you prefer Rybka cooked or fried? 34 €..../person. Hey, are you disappointed with Rybka? Coz it has not justified your hopes or anything? Funny! Lol! In my opinion, it's about the best ever chess engine available across the globe that can evaluate positions and games in a very weighty and justified manner. It's not a recipe for a win over other engines but it's, all the same, a big help to a correspondence player like me. I've played a lot of games over ICCF against strong IMs and felt them using Fritz 9 or Hiarcs 10 as a chess game analyser or assistant. And I felt that Rybka, even the raw beta versions, understand good chess 100% correctly. Without any questions, it's a chess engine A1 at this point. Oh, I can even go as far as stating I can bet money on the match with me as an operator behind Rybka versus any ICCF or FIDE rated IMs or GMs using any other chess engine as a computer assistance in a correspondence game match. I'm not that ambitious, I'm just saying other engines lag behind Rybka in evaluating positions. Well, your criticism is undergrounded all the way. I guess, few people would side with you in that regard. You don't like Rybka? Well, it's your way; there's no point in blackmailing a good product just because. Regards, Alexander Expert in OTB and ICCF member
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