Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 12:28:08 02/22/06
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On February 22, 2006 at 10:26:24, Alex Shalamanov wrote: >On February 22, 2006 at 09:36:48, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>It was interesting to read the many comments on my _report_ [not novel or lyric] >>about the clear win of FRITZ over RYBKA 13b in the CSS Online Masters. For the >>first time one of the classic professionals brought to an abrupt halt the >>overwhelming success of Rybka since Dec 2005. What is the situation? >> >>What does this show to the knowing expert? >> >>It proves something what is always completely ignored. That it's showing a >>faulty picture if people just let autoplay some engines. The pretended >>objectivity of such little tournaments is in reality a forging of reality. >>Because chess isnt something automatical. What in human chess is the will of the >>player that is in computerchess the talent and motivation of the operator. >>Without the care of the operator a program cant play its best chess. Also it >>makes absolutely no sense to play two engines on a single computer machine. >>Because that rips all of the best in chess off the player. Pondering off, PB >>off. Arrghh! - All this is as if you would hold a Grand Prix of F1 in a small >>garage and where you compare and compeat the accustic roar of the motors to >>claim the new winner. Of course this would be seen as the invention of a manical >>psychopath. Autoplayed engine tournament on a single PC isnt that different... >>Sorry folks. >> >>The result of the CSS Online Masters, altough belittled by the many Rybka fans, >>proves without a doubt that Rybka isnt flying high over the clouds while all >>others must crawl deep in mole hills. Not at all. Chrilly already published the >>main point months ago. The special and new pawn advancer code is worth around 80 >>Elo points. Period. To prove this you dont need hundreds of autoplayed >>"tournaments". Chrilly knew it from the code and a single game Zappa vs Rybka >>from Paderborn. >> >>And for this pawn-pusher-turbo against completely unaware competition the freaks >>paid 34 € until May 2006. So, to enjoy a special turbo advantage they paid 34€ >>for 4 months. (102 € a year!) (Nobody seems to care of what will happen if the >>first competitors add something in their code.) >> >>Fritz (with operator) vs Rybka (with operator) 3-1! In the final of a long >>tournament without autoplayer routine. >> >>Do you prefer Rybka cooked or fried? 34 €..../person. > >Hey, are you disappointed with Rybka? Coz it has not justified your hopes or >anything? Funny! Lol! In my opinion, it's about the best ever chess engine >available across the globe that can evaluate positions and games in a very >weighty and justified manner. It's not a recipe for a win over other engines but >it's, all the same, a big help to a correspondence player like me. I've played a >lot of games over ICCF against strong IMs and felt them using Fritz 9 or Hiarcs >10 as a chess game analyser or assistant. And I felt that Rybka, even the raw >beta versions, understand good chess 100% correctly. Without any questions, it's >a chess engine A1 at this point. Oh, I can even go as far as stating I can bet >money on the match with me as an operator behind Rybka versus any ICCF or FIDE >rated IMs or GMs using any other chess engine as a computer assistance in a >correspondence game match. I'm not that ambitious, I'm just saying other engines >lag behind Rybka in evaluating positions. Well, your criticism is undergrounded >all the way. I guess, few people would side with you in that regard. You don't >like Rybka? Well, it's your way; there's no point in blackmailing a good product >just because. >Regards, >Alexander >Expert in OTB and ICCF member I have respect for your chess talents or performance, but as far as lingual skills are required I think I have a better grasp on the meaning of the English (in special what you think blackmail is all about). I fear you couldnt quite understand what I wanted to say with my message about Rybka. With your speculations about my hopes or disapointment you are completely besides the point. BTW I think it's still good to know that we have a program like Rybka. I was more talking about the somewhat delicate relation beween Rybka and its supporters. If you know what I mean... :) BTW I hope that your mention of your quality as a correspondance player/operator has been heard. I wish you all the personal luck you need in future. -Rolf
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