Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 13:52:50 02/22/06
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On February 22, 2006 at 16:19:46, John Merlino wrote:
>On February 22, 2006 at 15:03:58, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>
>>On February 22, 2006 at 12:37:40, Albert Silver wrote:
>>
>>>On February 22, 2006 at 09:36:48, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>
>>>>It was interesting to read the many comments on my _report_ [not novel or lyric]
>>>>about the clear win of FRITZ over RYBKA 13b in the CSS Online Masters. For the
>>>>first time one of the classic professionals brought to an abrupt halt the
>>>>overwhelming success of Rybka since Dec 2005. What is the situation?
>>>>
>>>>What does this show to the knowing expert?
>>>
>>>Nothing of course. What is intriguing is that you are constantly talking about
>>>being an expert in statistics, and yet write a long post now claiming
>>>significant results based on 4 games.
>>>
>>> Albert
>>
>>
>>I am an expert in stats, yes, and therefore I know that your question is already
>>cheating, because - - what "significant results" was I "claiming"? Please answer
>>exactly this question and dont go into another ramble. It just doent make sense
>>what you are writing here all the time. What you want is just discriminating or
>>scapegoating other people. But you will fail in my case since I'm also an expert
>>in sober thinking.
>
>To quote you:
>
>"The result of the CSS Online Masters, altough belittled by the many Rybka fans,
>proves without a doubt that Rybka isnt flying high over the clouds while all
>others must crawl deep in mole hills. Not at all."
>
>The "proves without a doubt" part is certainly not true, since it was a 4-game
>match. If you are an expert in statistics, then you know this. Even if Rybka is
>shown to be 200 points better than anybody else, a 3-1 loss is nothing to be
>shocked about, statistically speaking.
>
>jm
John,
this way round you are right with your conclusions. But NOT how I argued about
it. What did I say sensational? Nothing! I said, please read exactly what is
written there, that it's not true, that it's not proven without a doubt, that
Rybka is flaying high over (!!) the clouds while all others must crawl deep in
mole hills. Because if the latter were the case, in case of FRITZ, FRITZ couldnt
have won the final of the CSS Online Masters with 3-1. I thought you must be
able to interprete what I wrote. When I wrote about the clouds and the mole hill
I wasnt mentioning 100 or 200 points in Elo. I was more mentioning the
exclusiveness in the chess class of Rybka - please read exactly again - in times
where Rybka is updated two times a week, while all others are NOT updated. That
alone is worth a reflection. And I could well imagine that FRITZ was specially
updated in some minor code... Who knows. But again, you must not argue with the
relativity of the 3-1 against me, if I mainly focussed on the actual hybris of
folks in adoring Rybka. But then this doesnt even mean that I am against Rybka
or that I want to belittle Rybka now. I dont know if I could give you a feeling
for my position and a little bit of its irony in view of the almost hatred
against me...
-Rolf
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