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Subject: Re: I'm convinced Hardware plays limited role in Rybka's strength

Author: Graham Banks

Date: 23:08:03 02/27/06

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On February 28, 2006 at 01:59:07, Ryan B. wrote:

>On February 27, 2006 at 23:51:54, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 27, 2006 at 22:25:44, Ryan B. wrote:
>>
>>>On February 27, 2006 at 21:55:05, Charles Wane wrote:
>>>
>>>>I just got finished playing a four game match at game/30 min between Hiarcs 10
>>>>and Rykba 13d, Hiarcs had an Athlon64 3200 with 128mb hash, against Rykba
>>>>running on a Pent II 450 with 128mb hash. The score was 2-2 !!  Yesterday I
>>>>played about 14 games between rykba running on the same 450 against Deep fritz 8
>>>>on the Athlon64 and rykba won the majority of the games!! Iv'e never seen a
>>>>program with such inferior hardware play so strong. I actually rated rybka on
>>>>the 450 on chessmaster 10th but letting rybka play the various personalities it
>>>>ended up with a rating of 3055!! And lost only one game , running all on a mere
>>>>Pent II 450.  I guess Rybka's case the chess knowledge means much more then the
>>>>speed of the program? I don't know cause I'm not a computer chess expert, but
>>>>all this seems bizarre.
>>>
>>>From what I have seen Rybka has great knowledge but not in the way of
>>>traditional chess knowledge by having a huge evaluation function.  Like all
>>>chess engines I expect Rybka to play better on faster hardware but I so far
>>>think the gain of fast hardware is less than most other programs.  From what I
>>>see Rybka ranks higher in blitz than long tc games.  This is at least the case
>>>on the CEGT rating list.
>>>
>>>Ryan
>>
>>I do not think that you are right here and rybka does not rank higher in blitz.
>>
>>Let compare the 32 bit versions of rybka
>>
>>blitz
>>4 Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b 32-bit 2820 20 31 652 69.8 % 2675 23.0 %
>>5 Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit 2811 9 12 3139 68.1 % 2679 29.2 %
>>
>>long time control
>>
>>3 Rybka 1.01 Beta 13-13b 32-bit 2869 28 28 494 73.9 % 2689 27.9 %
>>5 Rybka 1.0 Beta 32-bit 2823 10 10 3670 68.8 % 2686 31.1 %
>>
>>You can see that rybka has higher ranking at long time control.
>>
>>I believe that the 64 bit version simply score too much to have reliable rating
>>because it played in the long time control against opponents that are too
>>weak(more than 300 elo weaker than it).
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Fruit is my reference point.
>
>CEGT 40/40
>Rybka 1.0 Beta 32bit	2816
>Fruit 2.2.1	2779
>
>
>CEGT Blitz 40/4
>Rybka 1.01 Beta 13b 32-bit	2820
>Fruit 2.2.1	2767
>
>Ryan


CCRL 40/40 (Athlon XP3800+)
Rybka 1.0 Beta 32 bit   2883
Fruit 2.2.1   2848

For all intents and purposes the same points differential as the CEGT 40/40, so
the gap doesn't seem to decrease much at longer time controls.

Regards, Graham.



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