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Subject: Re: Nolot #11

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 03:46:19 04/18/99

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On April 18, 1999 at 01:23:25, Ernst Walet wrote:

>
>And CM6000 gives the following result with 8MB (and 32MB) hash:
>
>1:04   (1:05)   1/9   Bxe6   -4.40
>1:45   (1:45)   1/9   Rxh6   -3.24
>2:27   (2:24)   1/10  Rxh6   -0.75
>4:08   (3:46)   1/11  Rxh6   -0.75
>
>so solves it in 105 sec.
>
>Ernst-J.
>
>The reason to test it with 8MB and 32MB hash is that I want to determine if The
>King engine in Tascbase 2.1a suffers much from it's limitation of 8MB hash.
>
>So far I've found, in CM6K, on a K6-200, a penalty of 3% at 3 min., a penalty of
>5% at 3 min., a penalty of 14% at 10 min., and a penalty of 17% at 30 min..
>
>What penalty should I expect at a overnight analysis?  I expect that the curve
>flattens out at longer time controls at maybe 25% or so.  Still 25% of about 8
>hours gives a total time of 10 hours.  Maybe a programmer could shine a light on
>this.
>
>What I also noticed is that The King, as far as I can tell, does not rely on the
>hash table for it's evaluation.  It still finds moves at the same ply depth with
>the same, or about the same score with different hash sizes, only the time
>differs.  Rebel for example sometimes finds moves at a certain ply depth in a
>certain time with 60MB hash, but doesn't find it with 40MB hash at all, or much
>later at much deeper ply depth.
>
>My conclusion sofar is that The King does not rely on hash tables for evaluation
>and that Rebel does, is this right?
>
>Kind regards, Ernst-J.


While trying Nolot #10 I've noticed a time diference between 32MB and 8MB up to
50%!  This startled me a bit, meaning that on a lets say PII 450, sometimes
after 10min., there is a difference of 40% and after 20min. even 50%.  Where
does this end, 100%?

My results for 8MB (and 32MB) on a K6 200 are:

 0:26   (0:27)   1/8   -0.09   Bb3     0%
 0:44   (0:44)   1/8    0.06   Rxf7    0%
 1:47   (1:46)   1/9    0.68   Rxf7    0%
 5:53   (5:18)   1/10  -1.64   Rxf7   11%
 8:32   (7:38)   1/10   0.00   Bb3    12%
23:26  (16:57)   1/11  -0.05   Bb3    38%!
37:58  (26:42)   1/11   0.37   Rxf7   42%!
66:52  (44:37)   1/12   0.08   Rxf7   50%!

I stopped after about 2 hours of anaysing, completing ply 12.

Is this difference common for other programs or?  One could say that a maximum
of 8MB hastable size in Tascbase is out of date..., I do.

Kind regards, Ernst-J



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