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Subject: Re: Nolot #11

Author: Paulo Soares

Date: 23:38:21 04/18/99

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On April 18, 1999 at 06:46:19, Ernst Walet wrote:

>On April 18, 1999 at 01:23:25, Ernst Walet wrote:
>
>>
>>And CM6000 gives the following result with 8MB (and 32MB) hash:
>>
>>1:04   (1:05)   1/9   Bxe6   -4.40
>>1:45   (1:45)   1/9   Rxh6   -3.24
>>2:27   (2:24)   1/10  Rxh6   -0.75
>>4:08   (3:46)   1/11  Rxh6   -0.75
>>
>>so solves it in 105 sec.
>>
>>Ernst-J.
>>
>>The reason to test it with 8MB and 32MB hash is that I want to determine if The
>>King engine in Tascbase 2.1a suffers much from it's limitation of 8MB hash.
>>
>>So far I've found, in CM6K, on a K6-200, a penalty of 3% at 3 min., a penalty of
>>5% at 3 min., a penalty of 14% at 10 min., and a penalty of 17% at 30 min..
>>
>>What penalty should I expect at a overnight analysis?  I expect that the curve
>>flattens out at longer time controls at maybe 25% or so.  Still 25% of about 8
>>hours gives a total time of 10 hours.  Maybe a programmer could shine a light on
>>this.
>>
>>What I also noticed is that The King, as far as I can tell, does not rely on the
>>hash table for it's evaluation.  It still finds moves at the same ply depth with
>>the same, or about the same score with different hash sizes, only the time
>>differs.  Rebel for example sometimes finds moves at a certain ply depth in a
>>certain time with 60MB hash, but doesn't find it with 40MB hash at all, or much
>>later at much deeper ply depth.
>>
>>My conclusion sofar is that The King does not rely on hash tables for evaluation
>>and that Rebel does, is this right?
>>
>>Kind regards, Ernst-J.
>
>
>While trying Nolot #10 I've noticed a time diference between 32MB and 8MB up to
>50%!  This startled me a bit, meaning that on a lets say PII 450, sometimes
>after 10min., there is a difference of 40% and after 20min. even 50%.  Where
>does this end, 100%?
>
>My results for 8MB (and 32MB) on a K6 200 are:
>
> 0:26   (0:27)   1/8   -0.09   Bb3     0%
> 0:44   (0:44)   1/8    0.06   Rxf7    0%
> 1:47   (1:46)   1/9    0.68   Rxf7    0%
> 5:53   (5:18)   1/10  -1.64   Rxf7   11%
> 8:32   (7:38)   1/10   0.00   Bb3    12%
>23:26  (16:57)   1/11  -0.05   Bb3    38%!
>37:58  (26:42)   1/11   0.37   Rxf7   42%!
>66:52  (44:37)   1/12   0.08   Rxf7   50%!
>
>I stopped after about 2 hours of anaysing, completing ply 12.
>
>Is this difference common for other programs or?  One could say that a maximum
>of 8MB hastable size in Tascbase is out of date..., I do.
>
>Kind regards, Ernst-J

Ernst,

Very interesting his tests, I never had seen nothing seemed.
I do not understand which is the size of optimous hashtable.
I read that the CM6000 programmer considers one than enough
the use of 16Mb, for SSDF games.
I read also that Rebel8 is better with 8Mb than with
32Mb (if does not fail the memory) for the SSDF games.

Regards,

Paulo Soares



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