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Subject: Re: comp vs comp or comp vs human ... but why not comp vs cc players?

Author: blass uri

Date: 07:31:01 04/24/99

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On April 24, 1999 at 09:51:58, Robert Ericsson wrote:

>On April 23, 1999 at 12:31:16, blass uri wrote:
>
>>
>>On April 23, 1999 at 11:33:08, Robert Ericsson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>The humans can check for blunders with a computer themselves, leaving
>>>>>us with a game where the computer's skill of planning will be tested
>>>>>against the cc player's skill of planning.
>>>>
>>>>Allow the cc player to check his ideas with a program and he will crush the
>>>>opponent program.
>>>
>>>I'm not so sure. Maybe if the cc player have an ICCF-ELO >2500 but not
>>>otherwise.
>>>
>>>Hmm... clarification: if comp uses 40 moves in 2 hours and cc player can
>>>think much longer it's true. With equal time I don't think so.
>>
>>1)I think that it is not so hard to get ICCF-ELO >2500 if humans use hours per
>>move but most of the humans do not want to do it. becasue there are no big
>>prizes in these games.
>>
>>I think that a computer have chances in practical correspondence games but only
>>because of the fact that the humans do not play seriously enough (they have
>>other things to do and not only chess).
>>
>>2)I believe that the programmers did not do their programs to help the humans in
>>correspondence games.
>>
>>I see that Chessmaster6000 looks at many stupid lines(I can tell it to show me
>>the thinking lines) but I cannot tell the program to save time and not to look
>>in lines that are clearly illogical during the search.
>>
>>Uri
>
>So what your basically are saying is that chess computer programs do not
>performe well - compared to humans - the longer the time control? Seems
>reasonable :-)
>
>Something like this maybe!?
>
>Blitz (5 min/game):  2600-2800
>
>40 moves/2 hours:    2400-2600
>
>CC play (days/move): 2200-2400
>
>Conclusion: humans perform relatively better the longer both comp. and human
>are allowed to think in the game.
>
>So all cc players that are afraid that comp. will destroy their precious
>game of chess will not have to worry that much, right!? ;-)


Yes

Uri



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