Author: Dave Gomboc
Date: 10:50:21 04/24/99
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On April 24, 1999 at 12:58:06, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote: >On April 23, 1999 at 17:17:10, KarinsDad wrote: > >>On April 22, 1999 at 16:48:36, Craig Stevens wrote: >> >>[snip] >> >>>> >>>>Insufficient winning material for both sides is always a draw. If one side has >>>>insufficient winning material and his opponent's flag falls, then it is a draw, >>>>not a win. >>> >>>I was told by a tournament director a couple months ago that when I had two >>>pawns versus the other players knight and my flag fell that it was a loss, not a >>>draw because I could somehow step into a mate because my pawns were blocking >>>access to two squares! If I would have known that I would have just given up >>>the pawns! But what if a player is low on time and the other player refuses to >>>snatch available pawns and just plants a knight in front of a pawn and waits it >>>out. I guess eventually you would get a 3 fold rep, but that might take a >>>while! In the mean time I lose? Is this correct? >> >>Yes. This is correct. Here is the FIDE rule concerning it: >> >>6.9. Except where Articles 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 apply, if a player does not complete >>the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the >>player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent >>cannot checkmate the player by any possible series of legal moves ( i.e. by the >>most unskilled counterplay). >> >>This means that if you played terrible and your opponent could win by >>checkmating you, you still lose (even though a knight and king alone cannot >>normally checkmate). If you want to force a draw quickly (i.e. you are low on >>time), there is a better way than trying for a 3 fold rep. Just push the pawns. >>Either he takes or you get a queen. Once it is KNK, it is automatically a draw. >> > > But the opponent can safely block one pawn and not capture it. There is no way >to force her/him to take the blocked pawn. > This is what I do not like about sudden-death time controls, people trying to >win by these absurd ways. > >>If it would have been KQKN as opposed to KPPKN, then there is no position on the >>board that would result in a checkmate for the KN side, hence, it would have >>been a draw. >> >>Sorry about the confusion due to my lack of being clear on the rule. >> >>KarinsDad :) If the person has no losing chances, they could ask the arbiter to award them a draw. For instance, White: Ke5, Ph4 Black: Kg6, Nh5. White could say to the arbiter that they will not move the king onto the h-file (where it might get mated!), they will just walk around in the open area of the board, and push the h-pawn if it left unguarded and they are not in check, and claim a draw. Of course, the claim must be made before White's time runs out. Dave
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