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Subject: Re: Mathematical wow!!!

Author: José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba

Date: 14:22:50 05/21/99

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On May 21, 1999 at 16:03:17, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On May 21, 1999 at 15:58:32, Tim Mirabile wrote:
>>On May 20, 1999 at 15:24:36, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>Which brings up another fascinating idea.  If we can come up with a minimal
>>>encoding, we can bound the maximum possible number of chess positions.  If the
>>>claim that all positions can be encoded in 100 bits is true, then there are
>>>"only" about 1e30 board positions!!  Several orders of magnitude below any limit
>>>claimed that I know of.  After all, if the mapping really is invertible, we will
>>>have a one to one and onto map from a 100 bit binary number to all possible
>>>board positions!
>>
>>A while ago I posted to RGCC about a dozen things to consider when trying to
>>decide if a certain random position of pieces/pawns/promoted pawns is legal.
>>I'll try to dig it up when I get home.  But many of these deal with such
>>specific cases its hard to imagine an encoding scheme which can catch them all.
>>And some positions could only be tested by doing a retrograde analysis back to
>>the opening position; I don't see any way to catch those.
>These sort of checks *reduce* the number of legal positions.  Any check like
>this will lower the estimate when applied.  If we can find an encoding scheme
>that will cover any contingency (including 'legal positions only' as a subset)
>then that number of bits will record them all.  Perhaps less bits are needed,
>but as long as we have a ceiling, we can say that the number of possible moves
>is no more than "x" and possibly much less.

	Is the discussion about posible moves or about posible positions?



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