Author: Lawrence S. Tamarkin
Date: 23:45:43 05/30/99
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On May 30, 1999 at 19:24:23, Marcus Kaestner wrote: >>Why nonsense - Both Fritz5 & Junior have won many human & computer tournaments, >>and Fritz5 has even recently won (well allegedly won), in the guise of Allerman >>a Swiss event in Germany at normal time controls. Note; that I didn't say that >>other programs did not win, just that the many engines available from Chess Base >>have won just about everything. > >i´ve never seen fritz winning a "really" computer tournament. I do see a lanquage problem here; 'what is "really" computer tournament.' Fritz won a computer chess world championship by beating Deep thought and one of the other mainframe type computers a few years ago. (Don't remember the other giant's name or the year of the event). People said it was lucky to beat such powerful competition, but the Wall chart only knows the one's & zero's. Sure, Fritz has had its ups & downs. That was one of the most crucial themes of my orriginal post. That because Chess Base had all these different powerful engines in the same gui, for an excellent price, all interfacing & working together with Chess Base, that it had cornered a significant part of the market, (and intrest of Computer chess software lover's). As a chess software lover, I was (and am), dissapointed that the other companies aren't yet as firmly entrenched as Chess Base seems to be. I could be wrong, but I still haven't seen the objective evidence presented to me... junior - yes. That's right, an engine now in the 'Chess Base Stable'. >against humans, others are as strong as fritz. remember rebel defeating anand >on short time levels. same as fritz did in the past. >so others are as competitive as the chessbase engines. Again, I complimented the Rebel company and mentioned the great customer service. I did not speak about the results of this program against humans, but then again, that was not the theme of my original post. > >>You seem to like this 'nonsense' expression. I am not familiar with tiger, > >yes > >>although I have heard of its promising test results and look forward to it >>taking a high place (Hopefully), in the chess engine world. Still that is not >>the same as currently available and competitive results of programs like Fritz5, >>HIARCS6/7, Junior5, etc... > >ok > >>Well I upgraded to Millenium Chess Genius 6 (from 5), and the only engines I >>noticed were previous versions of Chess Genius (which I already owned), so no >>gain of anything new. And of course as we all came to know later, Genius6 >>engine itself does not yet exist! > >yes, thar´s true, but also the same with fritz5. ?? - Well with Fritz, you get Comet, Crafty, ExChess & Doctor, in adition to other earlier Fritz engines. What other engines to you get with Millenium Genius6 (that you don't have to pay extra for), other then earlier versions of Genius? > >>I noticed a typical upgrad price of any Fritz engine has been about $40 dollars. >> I just bought HIARCS7 (Upgrade from previous engines), from Chess Base USA for >>$32 dollars ($3 shipping). That beats any price I have seen for programs like >>Shredder, W-Chess, Nimzo (except when you buy it as a Fritz style gui!). I've >>seen an average price of these programs of $119.00 new, & $65 dollars (or more), >>as upgrades. If you have some information where I can get similar new, & >>upgrade prices of these engines (as compared to buying from Chess Base & >>distributors), I would be most interested. But using your catorgorical & >>insulting expression of 'nonsense', means nothing factual to me. >> > >maybe in your country are different prices. ask gambitsoft. Fair enough, although I sense some agreement here, as Gambit-Soft is International, and I still know of no lower prices of Millenium Chess Genius engines, as compared to Fritz engine(s) prices. > >>Why do you insist on being insulting. I expressed my opinion, as logically as I > >i´m not insulting. i do only express my opinion - as you. Again I see this either as a language problem (hopefully resolved), or that you now realize that catorgizing someone else's opinion as 'Nonsense', and telling them that they really are inkompetent is not your way of being insulting. (Or that you are willing to take more care in your replies in the future, whatever). Yes we are adults here, and I'm willing to forget about it, if you are... > >>could based on the knowledge I have about these programs. I am as entitled to >>my opinion(s) as you are, (or anyone else is), and I feel I must really have >>'hit a nerve' for you to have to be so insulting, without producing any actual > >no nerve. only incorrect statements. Still, I don't see in this post the new 'facts', that correct my 'incorrect statements'. If there really are incorrect statements in my orriginal post (or subsequent post), I would be most interested to see the corrections (and where on the Web I can varify for myself), from whoever it is telling me they are incorrect! > >>factual contridictory evidence that my post was incorrect. Frankly, I am both >>surprised and dissapointed that my post has caused you to react with such >>hostility at me. > >sorry, if you´re feeling hurted. i didn´t want. As above... > >>Moderators: please give Mr. Marcus Kaestner a chance to read this post, before >>deleting it. Thanks. > >no reason to delete anything. we´re not at the childhood. And as adults, it is vital to consider carefully what we type. In general, I try to construct my post (opinions, views, critism's), at the product & companies. Never at individual's. And when creating them I attempt to put it in such a way that it reflects a general consensess. (From what I have learned about the product from this newsgroup, the companies websites, and other chess software experts). Even about companies, I try hard never to be overly critical, as I know there are many different sides to the issues presented. Besides, I love most (if not all), of the chess software that we can buy... mrslug - I'm not sure what to call myself anymore, software addict:)... > >> >>mrslug - the COMPETENT chess software addict! > >ok, why not? > >marcus
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