Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 19:41:58 06/05/99
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On June 05, 1999 at 21:28:59, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>On June 05, 1999 at 18:15:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 05, 1999 at 15:04:20, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>I had the time today to log the top ICC chess programs and read their finger
>>>notes as I do from time to time. When I came across Crafty's (Bob Hyatt's finger
>>>notes) Bob's finger notes claim Crafty is running on a 486/66 with 4 MB ram, and
>>>a 40MB hard drive. At the same time it is using 20GB of EGTB's (Ahhh.
>>>compression software.:) )
>>>
>>>Is this just a joke or some kind of protest or just plain sarcasm for other
>>>underreporting their hardware? A possible example Mofongo, claiming to run on a
>>>PII 450 and running Crafty has a rating of 3210, at the same time Crafty (bob's
>>>crafty) running on qaud Xeon PII 400 has a rating of 2969. {Bob?)
>>
>>
>>Yep... it is 'sarcasm'. We have _so_ many liars on ICC, even though I don't
>>see the reasoning behind it... ie 'matemaster' is one, but there are many.
>>
>>Mofongo's machine is actually right... he just only plays GM players at blitz,
>>and only at 3 0 or 5 0 time controls, so he is nearly impossible for a GM to
>>beat. And when you are very selective in who you play, this happens. IE I'd
>>be willing to bet that I could break 3400 if I just wanted to maximize my rating
>>without actually trying to 'play better'.
>
>I'm sure you would win this bet, but if your opponents give up trying to win and
>play for a draw instead, maybe you will lose the bet. Read mlbernstein finger
>notes. I myself have drawn a half dozen games (unrated) against shredder, cstal
>& crafty clones, generally with an exchange sac endgame, interestingly. The
>programs can't bring themselves to sac material back to activate their rooks.
>Of course, I lose the rest of the time, but I'm sure I am scoring more than my
>fair share. By the way, I'm a weak NM too, just like mlbernstein.
>
>>My 'machine' may change again, too. I might be on a 1mhz Z-80 next time you
>>see me there. :)
There are more than a few IM's that _only_ go for draws vs crafty. IE you can
watch them try to block the pawns up, although it resists that pretty well (but
not perfectly).
Even GMs do this a lot. Crafty has played Kamsky a bunch of games, and he has
often commented that "Against this computer, a draw is a perfectly acceptable
outcome, when the attempt to go 1-0 often ends up 0-1". Others try all-out to
win, which does make for more interesting chess. And Kamsky generally likes to
win also, but he is wise enough to accept draws when winning is not reasonable
in some positions...
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