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Subject: Re: Nominees.... The Ball Continues to Roll..

Author: Will Singleton

Date: 09:41:19 06/09/99

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On June 09, 1999 at 12:26:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On June 09, 1999 at 00:35:00, Will Singleton wrote:
>
>>On June 08, 1999 at 23:26:09, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On June 08, 1999 at 17:37:01, Will Singleton wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>When we were elected, we spent a week or so working out a method of moderation.
>>>>After some negotiation, this was eventually written out and agreed to.  Some of
>>>>us may have supported certain items more than others, but the document was
>>>>accepted by all.  And it included the provision to disallow discussions of
>>>>deleted messages.
>>>>
>>>
>>>and _that_ is a problem.  You were _not_ elected to set rules.  You _were_
>>>elected to _enforce_ the existing rules.  And nowhere do the existing rules
>>>say "if you disagree with a moderator's deletion policy, this can not be
>>>discussed herein."
>>>
>>>If we want such a rule, I'd think the group could decide that as a whole.
>>>
>>>That is why the US Government has a legislative branch separate from the
>>>judicial and executive branches.  Because you can't both write the laws,
>>>interpret them, and then enforce them.  We know what that is called.  And
>>>it is not spelled 'democracy'...
>>>
>>
>>Hello Bob,
>>
>>I wrote my election platform after reading the CCC Charter.  The existing rules.
>> I didn't make them up, didn't even interpret.  I suppose you have forgotten the
>>part of the Charter where it says:
>>
>>"You are further agreeing to abide by the decision of the moderators should a
>>post of yours be deleted and/or if you should lose your membership privileges
>>after due consideration of the moderators. You also will be agreeing that the
>>decision of the moderators is final."
>>
>>Hello?  Did you read that part?  Accuse me of making up rules, and being a
>>dictator, do you?  ;-)
>>
>
>Yep... because the designated function of a moderator is to remove posts that
>the membership here would consider objectionable.  _not_ to (a) remove posts
>that the moderator considers objectionable; (b) define a rule that says that
>moderator decisions can _not_ be discussed.
>
>I have no problem reading at all.  Nor in understanding.  The moderators (you)
>work for _us_.  Not the other way around.  Get the distinction?  we elected you
>to enforce _our_ intentions to not allow personal attacks.  We did _not_ elect
>you to start defining _other_ topics that are not permissable.
>
>Simple, really.  You were out of control.  I and others were not happy about
>it.  We voiced our opinion.  You deleted those as well.  That is _not_
>acceptable nor is it what I voted for you to do.  In any form.  And I _did_
>vote for the three that were elected plus others last election...
>
>
>
>
>>Cmon, Bob, it's pretty clear.  How can anyone come up with a different
>>interpretation after reading that?  If you want to change the Charter, fine, but
>>don't accuse me of making it up out of thin air.
>>
>>Will
>
>
>
>Where do you see in the charter that a moderator can define topics that are
>not allowed?  The charter attempts to stop personal attacks _only_.  Not
>discussions about message board policy...  that is what you tried to stifle,
>and you were wrong.
>
>And again, we 'hired' you to enforce the 'law', not to make it, not to interpret
>it.  But with your interpretation, you could delete every post here, and we
>don't get to question that?  I don't think so...


Not only do I disagree, but I fail to understand you at all.  Nothing new about
that.

Will



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