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Subject: Re: Fritz losing to Shredder

Author: Dan Homan

Date: 05:19:14 06/18/99

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On June 17, 1999 at 22:08:24, Fernando Villegas wrote:

>Hi Dan:
>You are right, of course, but there is a practical point regarding the nature of
>a test that must be taken into account; his meaning in terms of human
>usefulness. The example of you race is good precisely to show that: the
>experiment would be right as a test of the fastest vehicle on wheels, but
>meaningless, preposterous and something to laugh at. Experiments must be not
>only logical, but to have a sense. You, as a scientis, know that very well; you
>prepare an experiment not just because it can be done in his own terms, but to
>probe something that is important for human purposes, theoretic or practical.
>Then, when people talks of the sense of this tournament where programs are
>running in monster kind of hardware, what probably they try to say is that the
>experiment, even if logical, is not meaningful for his necesities and in fact
>for almost 99% of people that uses chess programs. What is meaningful for us is
>what has a relation with our practice. Monsters running at 800 Mhz or so are not
>reachable for common folk and so the test is meaningless in that specific but
>very important aspect. Logic is not all and becomes  ridiculous without a dosis
>of common sense. Fact is that we are not going to conclude nothing of the
>results of this tournaments not only because the few rounds, but because the
>brute force being used into it.
>Cheers
>fernando

Yes, once one understands the question to be answered by an experiment,
they are free to think that the question itself is a silly one and the
experiment should never have been done.

If people think that having a competition to find the best artifical
chess player is a silly thing to do, that is fine with me.  I don't think
anyone has ever claimed that we can use these results to help us do
anyting useful.....     In this case it is purely for fun!

Of course, I suppose that no chess tournament is useful in a practical
sense.... they are all for entertainment.

 - Dan

P.S.  I know that one of Melvin's concerns is that the results of
this tournament will be mis-used by the winners, but mis-use of the
results of the competition will not be the fault of the competition
itself.  The results of any test can be mis-used.  Hopefully the winners
will also advertise the hardware they ran on to get the title....  it
might even be a smart advertising strategy if they are a 1 or 4 processor
machine that beats some of the 100+ processor monsters.



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