Author: Bruce Moreland
Date: 11:30:48 06/18/99
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On June 17, 1999 at 21:45:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On June 17, 1999 at 15:40:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 17, 1999 at 06:20:25, Bruce Moreland wrote: >> >>>On June 16, 1999 at 17:18:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>One real problem was that an initial contact with the ICCA said that it was >>>>necessary for the _author_ to be present. Which means I couldn't send anyone >>>>else as I have in the past. But then it seems that this rule was relaxed after >>>>the fact. Had I known, Crafty would definitely have been there... >>> >>>Are you sure that this is true? I would like you to confirm this because this >>>may have some bearing upon my actions during the rest of the tournament. >>> >>>bruce >> >> >>I am certain. In fact, Early on I wrote an email to at least Tony and maybe >>David explaining this... And got a reply back with the "we are sorry..." >>etc stuff... And I didn't think a bit more about it because they did say that >>the rules required that a programmer be present. However it does seem that that >>was relaxed... I will see if I can find the email correspondence in the pine >>files here... > > >Ok... here is part of the story. First, I received this from the ICCA in the >official announcement of the tournament. This came via email and I'll include >the header for date information. I am including rule 1, which is the one that >caught my eye, and which is _far_ different from the wording for the WMCCC >events: > >===================================included text============================= > >From 9wccc-owner@cs.ualberta.ca Wed Dec 23 00:53:07 1998 >Return-Path: <9wccc-owner@cs.ualberta.ca> >Received: from scapa.cs.ualberta.ca by cis.uab.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) > id AAA19693; Wed, 23 Dec 1998 00:53:06 -0600 >Received: from localhost (user: 'tony' uid#181 fake: tony@sundog) by >scapa.cs.ualberta.ca id <13611-20807>; Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:52:04 -0700 >Subject: 9th World Computer Chess Championship >From: tony@cs.ualberta.ca >To: 9wccc@cs.ualberta.ca >Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 23:52:01 -0700 (MST) >Organization: University of Alberta >Phone: (403) 492-3971 Fax: (403) 492-1071 >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Message-Id: <19981223065235Z13611-20807+1@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> >Content-Length: 18961 >Status: RO > > > > > >TOURNAMENT RULES FOR THE 9th WORLD COMPUTER-CHESS CHAMPIONSHIP > >Paderborn, Germany >14-20 June 1999 > >The Board of ICCA > >Below the Board of ICCA provides information on the tournament rules and a >provisional tournament schedule. For convenience, the times of the >Advances in Computer Chess 9 Conference are included in the provisional >schedule too. > >1. Each entry is a computing system and one or more humans who programmed >it. At least one of the program developers must attend the championship >to operate the program. At least 50% of the entering developers, and all >developers attending the event, must be ICCA members in good standing. No >exceptions will be made to this rule. > >===========================end included text=============================== > >Ok, when I saw that, I sent the following, which due to my experimenting with >an experimental mail tool, resulted in this being sent to _everybody_ on the >ICCA announcement list... > >=============================begin included text============================ > >From hyatt@cis.uab.edu Thu Feb 25 11:02:32 1999 >Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 11:02:31 -0600 (CST) >From: "Robert M. Hyatt" <hyatt@cis.uab.edu> >X-Sender: hyatt@crafty >To: tony@cs.ualberta.ca >cc: 9wccc@cs.ualberta.ca >Subject: Re: 1 March 1999 >In-Reply-To: <19990225163423Z13341-25655+189@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> >Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.990225110120.3467B-100000@crafty> >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Status: O >X-Status: > > >Hi Tony... > >I don't see a way for "crafty" to make it... As I had mentioned, >international travel is very expensive, and difficult to get approval >for in todays restricted education spending environment. I had >originally thought about trying to find someone to operate Crafty, >but that seems to be contrary to the ICCA rules anyway. > >Bob > >===============================end included text=========================== > >I think every participant saw that as my reply went to everybody, including >the icca participant list. The ICCA _never_ suggested that "Hey Bob, if you >can enter crafty and get someone to operate for you, that will be fine with >us." The above rule seems _perfectly clear_ to me. I thought of three >people that "might" qualify. Jason Deines has written some code for crafty, >as has Mike Byrne. Jason is in Grad school and Mike was involved in a new >job. Eugene would (IMHO) also qualify since I am using his probe code and >the asm stuff he wrote a long while back. However Eugene also has a full-time >job at Microsoft and I didn't consider it apprpriate to put him on the spot by >asking either. So after the above simple statement, that was all I heard. > >Of course, I later found out that exceptions had been made, but sometimes >things don't go the way I'd like. And I didn't give it a lot of further thought >until the WCCC started and it became apparent that exceptions _had_ been made. >I don't think Crafty deserves special consideration of course. But 'equal >consideration' would be nice... :( > >Bob Hiarcs is here without Uniacke. The guy is listed as having had something to do with the user interface, although when I asked him what his connection is he said, "beta tester." Mchess is here without Hirsch. Peter Schreiner is operating again as he has in every tournament Mchess and I have been in since 1995. Francesca is here without Tom King. Perhaps there are other instances, I haven't been paying attention. I think that some of this (King at least) is at the specific request of the ICCA, since they wanted an even number of programs, and close to 32 of them, or something. I would have argued that you send Byrne or someone but upon reflection I think this would have been skirting the rules as well. You are the author of Crafty, clearly, right? bruce
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