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Subject: Re: Super GM Result for Computers!!

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 07:25:20 06/22/99

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On June 22, 1999 at 10:20:18, Harald Faber wrote:
>On June 21, 1999 at 13:15:16, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>On June 20, 1999 at 13:14:24, odell hall wrote:
>>>Hi CCC
>>>  I Guess no one has any lame excuses about this result, since the time control
>>>was 40/2. I think it now clear to everyone the computers have reached the
>>>grandmaster level!!.  Show me a team of internation masters that could achieve
>>>such results in a million years! And this was not one game!! , but Five!
>
>>Despite your insistent pleas, this is not evidence of GM level.  GM norms are
>>mathematically described in the rules for FIDE, USCF, or similar governing
>>bodies.  When computers have managed to perform as described, then they will be
>>playing at GM level.  Since they have not, we cannot say that they are and we
>>also cannot say that they are not.  We really do not know.  To pretend that we
>>do know is bad science.
>
>How is the chance of getting a FIDE-title for a chess program? What does the
>FIDE charter say about chee programs competing in human tournaments? What does
>USCF say?
Actually, I don't think the *title* matters.  If the programs pass the exact
same tests, then they are GM's in ability whether they have a title or not.
It's sort of like being awarded a black belt.  If someone passes all the
promotion tests and can whip the snot out of you, they don't need a piece of
paper to tell us they can do it.

So it is the tests that matter.  Not the title.  IMO-YMV.  Of course without the
title, they won't *be* GM's.  But if they pass all the tests that will be ample
demonstration that they play at GM ability.



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