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Subject: Re: Tell me about Alpha

Author: Dan Homan

Date: 07:35:55 07/07/99

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On July 06, 1999 at 22:35:28, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>
>On July 06, 1999 at 19:35:26, Andrew Slough wrote:
>
>>On July 06, 1999 at 19:01:02, Zachariah Amela wrote:
>>
>>>One other posters referred me to an Alpha system when I asked about
>>>multiprocessor machines.  I also have a friend who swears by the Alpha because
>>>he says it's integer crunchy is bar-none.
>>>
>>>So tell me about the Alpha?
>>
>>Alphas are high performance RISC processors designed by digital to have as lower
>>clock cycle time (higher speed) as possible. Compaq recently showed a normally
>>cooled 1000 Mhz Alpha processor whereas I think the fastest normally cooled x86
>>processor is K7 at 600Mhz. An Alpha should be quite a bit faster per-cycle than
>>an Intel processor too - Alpha 21164 & 21264 are quad out of order issue 64-bit
>>processors. Although P2/3 can issue 3 instructions per cycle, the registers are
>>only dual ported, which in practice limits it to two. P2/K6/K7 are 32 bit
>>processors, which make them slightly worse for programs that use bitboards. They
>>also 32 64-bit general purpose registers compared to x86's paltry 4 32-bit.
>>
>>>I understand it will run Unix and NT.  But what
>>>makes it better?
>>>What is the cost?
>>
>>I would think you would be talking about $2000-$3000 minimum.
>>
>>>How much horsepower are we talking?
>>
>>SpecInt95
>>Digital Alphaserver 6/575 (575Mhz)     -     30.3
>>Intel Pentium III/500 (500Mhz)         -     20.6
>
>I think that this particular machine is probably fantastically expensive.  When
>I checked a couple of years ago I couldn't find any Alpha machine made by
>Digital that was less than $10,000.  Have their prices come down?
>
>It used to be possible to get a nice Alpha clone for a sane price, but I don't
>know of anyone selling the new 21264 in a clone.  If someone has a 21264 in a
>clone it could be worth checking out.

www.microway.com is selling them, I believe.  I saw dual-processor 21264
machines for around $13,000 at their site.   That was some months ago, however.

 - Dan

>
>bruce



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