Author: KarinsDad
Date: 12:56:21 07/26/99
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On July 26, 1999 at 15:16:36, walter irvin wrote: >On July 26, 1999 at 14:42:56, KarinsDad wrote: > >>On July 26, 1999 at 13:49:31, Mark Schreiber wrote: >> >>>I have a question that I have not seen in the opinion poll. Now that the Fide >>>world champion Karpov has drawn 1 game with Shredder at slow time controls, >>>should computers be allowed to play in the qualifying matches for the world >>>championship? Even if a computer did not become world champion, It would be >>>interesting to see how far a computer would go. >> >>My short answer is no. >> >>The World Chess Championship has been a human achievement for the last hundred >>years. It should stay that way. To have a silicon monster as the reigning World >>Championship will cause more of a split than the FIDE/PGA one did. >> >>I also do not want the Fritz team or the Junior team (or whomever) to have >>control over the World Chess Championship for 2 years or whatever. It's bad >>enough that FIDE tries to control it. The politics involved with a silicon based >>champion could extend into things such as multiple computer manufacturers >>getting in the picture, etc. >> >>And finally, unlike human players who may get better, or may get worse over >>time, the programs will only get better (on average). Hence, once a program wins >>the championship, it would probably only give it up to another program. That >>would effectively end the World Chess Championship as we know it (i.e. we would >>have to construct a separate championship for humans only anyway at that point >>in time). >> >>KarinsDad :) > >i dont know maybe you underestimate humans ,humans can be the most diabolical of >chess players,i dont think anymore that computers are destoned to be all >powerfull , really believe that deep blue would not have beat kasparov in a >longer match. human learning is far better than computer learning , plus there >is this diabolical factor of the human mind. i think people will always find >away to win . It is not that I underestimate humans, I just do not underestimate human programmers. I compare this to checkers. Can Chinook be beat anymore by any human? I compare this to othello. Can any human beat Logestillo? Granted, we are not yet at the level where a chess program on current technology can probably be World Champion (DB is no longer in the picture), but it is only a matter of time. And my main view is that if the program were to win and hang onto the title, people would just want a championship with just humans in it anyway (i.e. we would just want to go back to NOT having them in, so why have them included in the first place, just to see WHEN they will succeed in taking the championship away?). KarinsDad :) PS. Look at Chinook and Logestillo. People will NOT always find a way to win.
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