Author: Bernhard Bauer
Date: 05:09:37 08/31/99
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On August 30, 1999 at 18:14:18, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >On August 30, 1999 at 17:36:33, Bruce Moreland wrote: > >> >>On August 30, 1999 at 15:55:57, Fernando Villegas wrote: >> >>>I understand that some post by Thorsten -or several- has been deleted due to >>>complains about his wording. An adjetive or a verb that was not liked by some >>>people here. I do not know what Thorsten will do about this, if he will stay >>>here or not. If he does not, then another member of this site will be lost and >>>no any member to be sure, but one that has contributed with lot of material not >>>only about CSTAL, but in general all the stuff concerned with chess computers. >>>What was the sin of Thosrsten? He was too harsh for some too much delicate >>>skins. By the way, it is curious to see that many times the delicate-skin-people >>>are the very same that treat people they does not like with the utmost lack of >>>respect. I have been treated as a thief, then as a guy making jokes that >>>deserved to be in the rest room wall, etc. Or as a kind of impostor, a man >>>trying to produce havoc just because I answered the post againts me or because I >>>putted my answer in the beginnig of the page and not in the middle or because I >>>resigned my post as moderator or because... Thorsten has received also all kind >>>of attacks and I do not rememeber -correct me if I am wrong- he has been asking >>>deletions of any kind. But then somebody ask the deletion of his post and at >>>once he is satisfied. >>>It is a pity that CCC is beginning to be in the hands of any crazy >>>fundamentalist that just ask something to be deleted because he is insulted or >>>injured in some way or another. Sometimes are just the so called "profanities" >>>-my God, what an stupid word-, some times are an adjetive that cannot be >>>withstood, sometimes is because suposedly you are making a gender attack over a >>>lady and so and so. >>>Where this ends? Are we kids in Disneyland? Is this site an >>>only-american-style-of-life place and so everybody must abide to -for us in >>>south america or in europe- crazy rules, idiotic customs, fanatic views of the >>>world, puritan conditionated reflexes? >>>Let me be clear: I am not blaming a moderator, I am not blaming moderation, I am >>>not blaming but an attitude that has got more and more force doing of this >>>place something more and more boring, punitive and self censored, the worst >>>kind of it. By the way, I have not too much hopes this post will stay here too >>>much time. >>>Fernando >> >>We have received no complaints, and there have been no post deletions that I >>know of for the past several days. >> >>bruce > >I figured it out. If anyone is interested, here is what happened. > >On the 25th, which was last Wednesday, Thorsten wrote a post in which he used a >colorful metaphor regarding things that you can have control over and things >that you can have no control over. Essentially he said that you can hit your >wife, but you can't make a software developer fix bugs. > >KD saw this and deleted it and subsequent responses. At that point he ran out >of time or something so he asked me to explain the reasons for doing this. > >This put me on the spot, because I didn't particularly care about the wife >hitting comment. It was clear that he wasn't suggesting that anyone do this, or >that he thought it was a good thing to do, he was just using violent language to >make a point. > >KD thought otherwise, and apparently some others did, since there were >complaints, and I can see their point, so I figured, fine, I'll do this. But I >was left to explain a post deletion that I might not have done myself. I wrote >Thorsten an email saying that some people including KD were offended by his >metaphor, and asking him to consider using language that would get people >thinking about his points rather than protesting his language. I noticed that >elsewhere in that post he'd taken a few shots at the person he was responding >to, suggesting that that guy stop living in a "dream world", and that he "grow >up". This bothered me more than the wife thing, and I said so. I suggested >that he could disagree with something without disparaging them. > >Anyway, so much for that post. For the record, Fernando, the three responses to >that post, which were also deleted, were all complaining about the wife beating >language, and only one of them was from an American. > >So end my hopes of making it through a week without being called a Nazi, a >puritan fundamentalist, or an Orwellian terror. > >bruce Hello everybody, If I remember correctly Thorsten didn't suggest Karinsdad to beat Karinsmother, but at the contrary he said in his flowerish manner that "if you beat your wife, you will get in trouble with her". That wasn't a suggestion to beat "your wife", but a stern warning. He wrote too that "if you beat Chris, you will get in trouble with him". By the way, why didn't anybody complain about beating Cris? For Thorsten "beating your wife" may not be an issue, because I don't know if he even has a wife. However we all know that he is related to Chris. So he has a "Chris" and this may be an issue for him. I can very well understand that a post that suggests "beating Chris" will be deleted, but this wasn't the case. But note that Chris has released a version of his chess program for whites and a differend one for blacks, CSTalWhite and CSTalBlack and the discriminating thing may be that CSTalBlack is weaker than CSTalWhite. And Thorsten is a communist, but no rassist. Kind regards Bernhard
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