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Subject: Re: CSTal 2.03 vs. ssdf-elo program 2570

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:08:10 09/02/99

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On September 01, 1999 at 18:52:39, Mark Young wrote:

>On September 01, 1999 at 05:53:59, Ralf Elvsén wrote:
>
>>On August 31, 1999 at 22:39:09, eric guttenberg wrote:
>>
>>>If there is any reliable data showing that CST can even hold its own with
>>>H7.32 in a significant number of games, I will be surprised to see it.
>>>
>>>
>>>eric
>>
>>Could you (or Mark or anyone else...) who have seen CSTal
>>play alot, tell me why you think it is weaker than e.g. Hiarcs?
>>(I don't own a copy).
>>
>>Is it because it goes for unsound kingside attacks with
>>silly sacrifices, or is it just weaker in general?
>>
>>I always thought that it would be interesting to see
>>a CSPetrosian, since that style might be better suited
>>to the programming technique used in CSTal (not that
>>I know anything about it, except for the low NPS).
>>
>>Even if it is significantly weaker at the moment, I think
>>it is strong enough to prove a point, namely that programs
>>written in a "non-orthodox" way can play good chess. Since
>>this seems to be a program developed by one person (?) there
>>should be room for many improvements and, who knows, that
>>approach might be more successful than present data indicates.
>>I mean, imagine ten programmers representing
>>this approach exchanging ideas here at CCC. It would probably
>>give a marginal effect much bigger than for the discussions
>>taking place here now (not that I have anything against them,
>>just an illustration).
>>
>>Ralf
>
>Yes IMO CST plays unsound chess, any program can have great wins, but if you
>lose 9 out of 10 games to get that one great win....IMO I don't call that
>program a great program with an exciting style of play. I would just call it
>sad, in light of all the very good programs on the market today that also
>generate great wins. No need to name the programs....
>
>As many of us know, you can take cm6000 and get the same style of play as CST,
>but with a much better tactical eye.
>
>I have nothing against CST style of play or any style of play, but the program
>must be able to win with that style.
>
>Mark "The Bean Counter"


Boy are you asking for trouble.  :)

you are joining a very 'exclusive club' now.




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