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Subject: Re: Poll question.

Author: Fernando Villegas

Date: 15:23:48 09/09/99

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On September 09, 1999 at 13:46:54, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On September 09, 1999 at 12:12:29, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>On September 08, 1999 at 18:08:56, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>On September 08, 1999 at 17:36:38, José de Jesús García Ruvalcaba wrote:
>>>
>>>>Should the game Rebel-Hoffman be taken in account to calculate the performance
>>>>rating of Rebel in the GM challenge?
>>>>
>>>>-Yes 1
>>>>-No
>>>>-Abstain
>>>
>>>Why such an absurd position as to claim it should count despite machine crashes?
>>>
>>>Because it does not matter *why* the outcome was as it was.
>>>
>>
>>The policy of "what it was it was" is sensible if a real tournament is being
>>performed, but this is not the case. There is not a trophee, nothing in dispute.
>>The entire idea is to see if a program obviusly running in normal conditions can
>>match the wit of a GM. The result, them, would be also unaccountable if the GM
>>fall victim of a heart stroke. I am sure in that case Ed would not ask the
>>victory because the GM did not comply with the time limit.
>Equipment failure is just one more real reason that a computer may lose to a
>human player.  If you discount this variable you damage the experiment.  I have
>the evil heart of a machine in such cases.  My eye will show no pity.
>

Well, maybe some confusion arises from the words and concepts we use. I
understand that what ed is testing is not an artificial entity constituted by a
computer and a program, but just a program.  At least I understand that way
because I want to know how good is rebel as such, no how smoothly runs rebel
with this or that hardware.

>>>If a GM defaults because he does not feel well enough to continue, does that
>>>invalidate the loss?  No.  And neither should this one.
>>
>>See reasons above. Tournament are like races and everything counts, of course,
>>but Ed challenge is not a tournament.Is more an experiment. You does not
>>validate an experiment if you know  that the condtions were not fulfilled.
>If there was a precondition that the match would be invalid in the case of
>machine failure (Or perhaps GM indigestion) then I would accept this position.
>
>>
Perhaps Ed should clarify this issue.

>No cries of "mess-up... do-over" should be allowed.
>>
>>Who is doing such thing?
>Those who say that the result is not valid.

I did not. I do not care about the validity of the game in order to determinate
a winner, but as a tool for know rebel century before purchasing it. And of
course in that perspective a fault game due to ardware prolems does not give me
much information...at least that failure happens with every computer and so i
can deduce is a faulty program.
Cheers
Fernando
Regards
Fernando



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